Posts Tagged ‘Greek Orthodox’
In the Wayback Machine I just came across what purports to be a translation of what happens when an Orthodox wedding is held alongside a full Divine Liturgy, i.e., Eucharist, translated by just-glorified St. Justin Popovich (†1979) of Chelije, Serbia. I can’t vouch for anything about the Archive link material, since I haven’t attended any Orthodox weddings yet, nor studied them, so if you need to follow the Two-Source Rule, you should follow it!
A little background: I’ve read that most Orthodox weddings these days are not served with Liturgy, similar in fact to the one depicted in the movie My Big Fat Greek Wedding as far as I could tell. There’s even some controversy over whether we should do so more, or not get worked-up about it. One thing a non-Liturgical wedding makes easier is the question of how to tell non-Orthodox attending a Liturgical wedding that only Orthodox may receive the Communion … especially if one of the spouses and/or their whole side of the building are non-Orthodox, as in MBFGW, where the groom had converted, but his (few) friends and family in attendance had not.
Just for comparison’s sake, if I remember my altar-boy days correctly, among Vatican-II-Rite Roman Catholics [we have to specify now] it wasn’t uncommon to have a Nuptial Mass, which would be the equivalent of a Byzantine Rite (and thus Orthodox) Liturgical wedding like we’re talking about here; IOW it includes Communion consecrated during that service. However, these were Saturday afternoon Nuptial Masses I was serving at, not much longer than a non-nuptial Weekday Mass, little if any liturgical music, brief homily, short Communion, Ave Maria ceremony added, etc. (and five Bicentennial U.S. dollars in my 13-year-old, working class, pre-seminarian pocket! 🙂 ). Point being, it’s hard to do that in Orthodoxy — for better or for worse — as you may see if you read through the linked material even at a normal, clearly-spoken pace, nevermind mostly-chanted. OTOH IIUC it’s not rare for Catholics to just have a wedding without Mass, either; there are different reasons why they could, would want to, or would have to go this route, which I don’t need to go into here.
OrthodoxWiki discusses Orthodox Marriage approaches and services more briefly than St. Justin. A decade ago (or more), my own jurisdiction, the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America, defined what denominations our faithful were allowed to marry “in the Church,” * in terms expressed pretty clearly, though without denomination-specific treatment, by Metropolitan ISAIAH of Denver. I once read somewhere else that what His Eminence says more or less reflects SCOBA practice generally … but again, Two-Source Rule … or if you’re already Orthodox or in process, follow the guidance of your priest.
And just to be clear, this post does not attempt to cover Orthodox weddings or marriage(s) comprehensively, just point to something interesting I stumbled across on the Web. Much more would be way out of my depth!
(*–As well as who could be received in conversion by means of Chrismation without [re-]Baptism.)
This news release from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America (Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople) announces a recent agreement between the Jerusalem and Constantinople Patriarchates ceding the JP’s claims of jurisdiction in the United States to the latter. Its parishes here will form a vicariate directly under the jurisdiction of the Greek Archbishop of America, seemingly similar in many ways to Constantinople’s other non-Greek groups here, but without the status of a diocese or full “jurisdiction” of its own like them. As they highlight that this will have the effect of bringing the JP’s Church here under the SCOBA umbrella (but without distinct representation on SCOBA), that will leave only the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) apart from it, among “canonical” Orthodox jurisdictions based here in the States.
Orthodoxwiki discusses the JP here, on this page, and links to a new page of theirs about the new Vicariate.* A couple years ago I thought I read that, objecting to talk of the GOA absorbing breakaway Antiochian parishes (as discussed on Orthodoxwiki), the Antiochian Archdiocese of North America temporarily put the breaks on SCOBA Primates’ meetings. But I lack complete information on this point. SCOBA meetings have resumed since that time.
I have also read that the GOA does include a handful of parishes defined by Orthodox ethnicity other than Greek, including Romanian. I don’t know the history there either.
(*–The small Belarusan “Council” of parishes that Orthodoxwiki continues to list in the present tense disappeared from GOA/EP information products – website, printed directory – some time in the last couple years. I don’t know what happened to them, if anything.)
Si Cristo ay nabuhay! Siya nga ay nabuhay!
The position of this blog with regard to conflict among overlapping jurisdictions and “claims” of jurisdiction – in The Philippines, in North America, anywhere – is to discuss it as factually as I know, as necessary for the information of inquirers, to take it into account as much as my meager knowledge permits, to hope and pray for Orthodox brotherhood / sisterhood and Unity and for our evangelization of non-Orthodox, and to not participate in such conflict itself if at all possible.
I’m glad to help with “rumor control” and to help smooth ruffled feathers. But this really cannot become a forum for such conflict itself, since this is not a general Orthodoxy blog or forum, but specifically for evangelization. There is no shortage of fora for conflict, elsewhere. This is why I have exercised Moderation, and will continue to do so.
As conflict-averse as I am as a human being – one of my “issues,” perhaps! – I concede that conflict over jurisdictional claims implicitly recognizes that Orthodox Unity is in accordance with Holy Tradition, “one bishop in each place.” Whatever has been worked-out between Antioch and Constantinople regarding The Philippines has not reached me here in America yet. In any case, there are overlapping claims of jurisdiction not only in The Philippines, but in Australia, New Zealand, Singapore IIUC, Indonesia, China, Korea, Japan, the Americas, Western and Central Europe, Estonia, Moldova, Russia, the Arabian Peninsula, perhaps even Constantinople (Istanbul) itself.
ISTM true Orthodox rejoice in souls coming to The Orthodox Church, in souls uprooted from ancestral homelands managing to retain The Orthodox Faith, and pray for ever more of the All-Holy Spirit of God to guide the Church and her leaders “from glory to glory,” that He “calm the dissensions of the churches and the raging of the nations,” that we might increasingly radiate God’s Glory / Energies / Activities / Attributes as individuals and as Christ’s Body.
May God have Mercy on me.