Dustin Sayers wrote on the Belleville Neighbours Facebook page:
Figured out what I’m going to do once I get out of the woods. So sooner the better. I’m giving away everything I was gifted to live outside as soon as I’m out of the woods. Same week I get a place I’m going to go hand out the stuff I was gifted to the homeless community. The bed, the BBQ, the tents, whatever I can give to help someone live better and hopefully bring joy to their life for a little while! Within the next couple weeks I’ll be going around handing out stuff to the homeless and giving back to the community! And yes I’m going to document it all not for praise or to make myself look good just to see peoples reactions and hope to bring joy and smiles to some peoples lives that are down on their luck ! Wish you all the best ,take care !!!
I make no judgement about Dustin or his motives. I dig have a look at his Facebook page later on, but it did not tell me a lot. So let’s say he’s a good guy.
I commented: Great! More homeless in tents! Just what we do [should have been “so] desperately need!
Liz Schillings McLennan replied: Lon Palmer A most unnecessary comment, and frankly, a cruel one.
I get that. On the surface, it does sound a little negative – but one must go deeper, and I will . . .
I also looked at her profile. Again, who can make judgements based on a Facebook profile, but my intuition was she is an intelligent, principled person . . . I degree.
I answered: Liz Schillings McLennan disagree – I have seen so many complaints about the homeless on this page that when I see homelessness being enabled, I feel compelled to say something. The homeless need help – badly – but enabling them does not help them – that is, to my thinking, the crux is the problem; nothing will change until people and. Especially, politicians recognise that distinction. They haven’t managed it in Toronto (which I fled two months ago) where the problem is getting worse and worse despite – actually because of – all the enabling that is going on. Belleville, apparently, seems bent on going down the same sad road – which, ultimately, does not help, but harms, the homeless. The homeless deserve genuine help.
Donna Gaudet also answered:
Lon Palmer And how exactly are you helping? Maybe we can follow your lead.
I liked that. Her point of view is clear, even though it is expressed with some subtlety. I respect that. (I also looked at her profile, but saw nothing helpful, not even a picture).
I thought about this. Seemingly reasonable people were disagreeing with me, and with reasonable points. I felt that I had to address them, and the whole issue is a critical one.
So I replied: Donna Gaudet to answer that question well – and it is a very good question – will take a little time and thought, and so. Rather than give a facile answer, I will give it the time and thought it deserves and post it later today.
And this, on my blog, is “later today”. I will link it in my reply.
I have seen homelessness increase exponentially over the decades in Toronto, which I left two months ago, and I understand from the residents in Belleville, my new adopted home, that it is increasing here. Obviously, what they are doing in both Toronto and Belleville (and elsewhere) is not helping since the problem is only growing worse.
That is what is behind my initial Facebook comment.
To be involuntarily homeless is a terrible thing – I’m not talking about people who voluntarily live in vans, skoolies or RVs and have resources. I am talking about people who, for one reason or another can’t help it and lack adequate resources to care for themselves. Sometimes, their difficulties are essentially financial. Others have mental health issues, including being off their meds and addiction. It is a terrible situation to be in. I think that is self-evident. Their health and overall well-being usually decline. Usually, I believe that there are many contributing factors, many not of the homeless person’s own making. It is, to use understatement. “hard”. They deserve help.
I think that Liz, Donna and I agree on that.
Where we seem disagree is on how to help them.
To simplify – but I hope not oversimplify – the difference between our positions is Left vs Right, and that difference of approach plays out in many other areas, as well, but I will try to stay focused on homelessnes.
It is said that both the Right and the Left, seeing a drowning man, want to help. Neither is more or less compassionate, but they take different approaches. If the man is 100 feet offshore, the conservative with through him 50 feet of rope and yell, “Swim for it; it’s good for you.” The liberal, on the other hand, with throw him 200 feet of rope but forget to hold on to the end.
That’s more hyperbole than genuine analysis, but it contains a kernel of truth. The right tends to emphasize self-reliance (which the disadvantaged are not always capable of) while the left emphasize assistance (which is not always of a sort that the disadvantaged person actually needs).
I refuse to personalize this disagreement. I choose to believe that most people, on both the Right and the Left, genuinely care and want to help but disagree on the means because I choose to believe that most people, irrespective of their politics, are fundamentally and inherently good (aside for the small minority of selfish authoritarians on the right and self-loathing virtue signallers on the left).
And responding to Donna, who asked me what I would do, here is my answer.
Personally – as in “in my own personal actions” – I would not give the homeless money. I would and do talk to them. I would and do give them food on occasion. I have given away clothing and other commodities. I generally do not give them money unless I am certain that it will go to food or some legitimate purpose because I know it sometimes goes to drugs.
That, of course, is not the full solution; that must come from our institutions, which are not providing it.
Involuntary homelessness, as I said above, is a terrible thing. We should do everything we can to end it. And offering greater resources to the homeless, for them to use in their homeless condition, does not end homelessness – it ENABLES it. How can that possibly be a good idea.
But that seems to be the approach, both in Toronto (with its burgeoning homeless bombers) and in Belleville, which seems to be going down the same path. Everywhere, I hear people in Belleville saying that they are unhappy with the growing problem of homelessness and addiction. I have had people tell me, “Don’t go downtown after dark”. How can that be a good situation? It’s not.
As a side note, I’m not worried about going downtown because I know how to take care of myself – I’m not talking physical self- defence; I’m talking about being reasonably street smart. I won’t go into the details except to say that most people who get into problems usually have a hand in it.
We should do everything we can to eliminate homelessness.
Unfortunately, most homeless people will tell you that they would rather be on th street than in a shelter -b at least in Toronto (I don’t know the situation that well here yet). And from what I have heard, I don’t blame them. The shelters in Toronto sound pretty bad. They get beaten and robbed and otherwise mistreated.
The answer is to clean up the shelters: make safe, properly supervise them, do whatever else is necessary to make them viable. Do a proper study and find out what will work, implement the recommendations, and use the facilities, arresting vagrants if necessary.
If you think that is somehow unfair to the homeless, think of how unfair it is to have so much of the population afraid to go downtown or (as in Toronto) take their children to the parks (some of which are taken over by the homeless, often in tent cities, and littered with needles, garbage and feces – all of which are unprotected crimes).
Yes, the homeless deserve compassion, but so do the citizens, including their children.
But getting them into proper shelters is only the beginning.
(Before I go further, I think that the police should have some discretion, so that if they know someone is harmless to themselves and others and their homelessness is temporary, they can turn a blind eye. And I think that discretion in all aspects of this system is important because these are people, and strict rules will not adequately cover all circumstances.)
At the shelters, the homeless should not only be safe and comfortable but given genuine and meaningful help. Addicts should be detoxed – voluntarily or otherwise because their addiction harms them and, indirectly, others. Counselling should be available. Charities should be encouraged to provide opportunities. Public works should use them (voluntarily) if possible – probably over the adamant objections of the unions.
In short, measure should be brought in that have been proven to work. What we are doing here in Belleville, Toronto, and in the Democrat districts in the U.S. only make the problem WORSE. Some elements of the Left continue to advocate that path, virtue signalling like mad, and call those who seek to reform the situation “heartless”, but what is truly heartless is to keep going down the path that makes things worse.
Homelessness is too serious a problem to continue to address it ideologically – we must be pragmatic.
We must pursue strategies that actually make things better.