maybe being technically idiotic

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i'm lumping these in together for now because i would like to believe that their personality types are the same regardless of medium but i will edit this post for any discrepancies i see fit.

as goes with my usual mbti typings, note that when i say that i'm debating between one letter or the other i'm not treating the letters individually but instead am taking functions into account; usually when i type characters i take into account how all the functions interact with each other so yes when i say "deciding between J or P" i really am deciding if i think the character has si/te/fi/ne Working Like That or se/ti/fe/ni Working Like That

wei wuxian - entp in every other iteration except cql, where he's an enfp bc of xz's acting
lan wangji - istj
lan xichen - enfj
jiang cheng - estj
jiang yanli - she has like no personality but i'll attribute isfj to her anyway
wen qing - intj
wen ning - infp
nie huaisang - isfp
nie mingjue - estj
xiao xichen - infj
song lan - istj
xue yang - extp (i've seen estp a LOT and wouldn't knock it out but also i'm not gonna knock out entp either)
lan sizhui - infj
lan jingyi - entp
jin ling - istp
ouyang zizhen - enfp
jin guangyao - intj
su she - tbd
yu ziyuan - estj
jiang fengmian - some sort of ixfx
a-qing - okay you know what i saw entp for her on the personality database and im here for it

at least 60% of all intps are gremlins. no i will not be taking constructive criticism on this post. yes i am one of them.

Jack Shephard - Slytherin - I know this is unconventional, but Jack's way of caring about people is out of a feeling of duty and responsibility, thus putting people into his care before actually caring about them. He focuses a lot on what he thinks is the best thing to do in terms of pros and cons, and automatically doubts (and continues doubting) people who want to do things that may put other people in danger for The Greater Good. He's not brave and heart-led as much as he's strategic and cold; he doesn't care about gathering information/intellectuality/rationalization as much as he does taking action and relying on empirical truth; and like I said he doesn't necessarily care about people, but that his position as a doctor puts him in a certain type of responsibility. Whether he knows it or not, Jack is a self-centered guy who, throughout the show, needs to let other people's perspectives into his life. But this is evidence of his Slytherin values, of pure ambition and - well, I wouldn't say cunning, but His way of doing things right.
Kate Austen - Slytherin
Sawyer/James Ford - Gryffindor - Yeah he's sarcastic and a dick but those aren't Slyth qualities! He leads with his heart more than Jack does (see above); while he does seem to care about himself a lot and only begins to care about people when he lets them in, a lot of the decisions he makes seem to be based on pure feeling than him actually thinking about pros/cons. He does not simply care about the people he cares about just because he's let them in; once he learns how to use his heart with direction and care (and also overcome his trauma), he is very, very capable with others, leading them, and taking the largest risks possible to follow what his feelings say.
Juliet Burke - Ravenclaw
John Locke - Gryffindor
Ben Linus - Slytherin (this is so obvs)
Sayid Jarrah - Slytherin (select loyalist not genuine one)
Sun-Hwa Kwon - Slyther/claw
Jin Kwon - Hufflepuff
Charlie - Gryffindor
Desmond Hume - Gryffindor
Penny Widmore - Ravenclaw
Hurley Reyes - Hufflepuff pls don't argue with anyone on this bc if u do ur in denial
Claire Littleton - Hufflepuff
Jacob - Ravenclaw but also a fucking idiot whom I love
Boone Carlyle - Gryffindor
Shannon Rutherford - Gryffindor
Ana Lucia Cortez - Slytherin obvs
Ol' Smokey - Slytherin, pls. Would also make room for Ravenclaw tbh
Richard Alpert - Ravenclaw
Danielle Rousseau - Slytherin
Alex Rousseau - Hufflepuff
Miles Straume - I want to say Slytherin but also he's not that attached to people he cares about tbh. Ravenclaw would fit best even though his attitude "seems" Slytherin-ish
Charlotte Lewis - Sticking her in Ravenclaw to be with her boys
Daniel Faraday - Ravenclaw

Dipper - Ravenclaw (INTP)
Mabel - Hufflepuff (ENFP)
Grunkle Stan - Slytherin (too loyal to people he cares about while completely apathetic to nearly everyone else to be a Puff) (ENTJ)
Soos - Hufflepuff (ENFP)
Wendy - Gryffin/Claw (ESTP)
Bill - Slytherin (ENTJ)
Gideon - Slytherin probs (ENTJ)
Ford - Ravenclaw (INTJ)

Regardless of the internet's overall frequent misinterpretations of MBTI (I blame the elementary way it's often summarized; I'm much more into socionics theory than academic MBTI theory due to that socionics tends to flesh things out more and measures people's functions based on interrelations and behavior wrt cognition), graphs like these actually highlight the usage of functions well:



Whenever I type people/characters/whatsoever, I usually keep an eye out for dominant and tertiary functions. This image implies - but doesn't state - and I've also seen here and there, that the dominant and tertiary functions tend to be the most prominent in behavior. When I was first learning about cognitive functions, I'd read that the dominant function is the thing you use the most naturally, without question; the tertiary function is what you use without question, but not as naturally.

It's interesting, and paves a way to my theory of this:
(which I've also seen implied here and there among abstract posts about cognitive functions)

Dominant and tertiary functions are what you do. Auxiliary and inferior functions are why you do them.

Obviously I don't mean this literally; but it's more in that while you "externally" use either your dominant or tertiary function, your internal procedure is more keyed on the auxiliary and/or inferior function.

ExxJ vs IxxJ, and tertiary functions

When it comes to typing, this is why I tend to seek the tertiary function, or at least have a couple of contenders. (Usually I can distinguish the functions that are either dominant or tertiary; it's positioning that sometimes takes me a while.) I have seen typings of characters that I find to be obvious IxTJs as ExTJs, possibly because of the aggression of a Te. But in the case of STJs the characters I find to be "obvious" ISTJs do not have tertiary Ne at all, because their Ne is something that they reject, or are hard to consolidate with, or only come during moments of panic - inferior at worst.

As for INTJs vs ENTJs, I think it's really a matter of taking into consideration that since INTJs have Te auxiliary, it's a likelihood that in instances they are militant and emotionless, it's completely deliberate, whereas for an ENTJ it would just seem more "natural," as in the idea of them being otherwise is bizarre and unnatural to them. Contrary to popular belief, INTJs have more flavor in this area, both in this choice to exercise their auxiliary Te in an intentional way, and also the tertiary Fi. People often talk about INTJs like they've forgotten that the INTJ's instinctive yet unnatural function is introverted feeling. But we'll get to tertiary functions in any introvert later.

I find there to be similar issues between the I/E dichotomy with NFJs. (Hilariously enough, most people can at least distinguish an ISFJ from an ESFJ.) I have seen many characters/people - usually women, mind you - typed as ENFJs, when I would highly oppose the idea that the person in question has inferior Ti. It's because the thing about IxFJs is similar to that of IxTJs - their aggression or friendliness or whatever that may make them seem like their extroverted counterpart (i.e. leading with Fe or Te) when it's really not that simple. With an ExFJ, the constant awareness of others and how one's (or other's) behaviors affects others is, like the ExTJ, a natural mode. To think or behave otherwise is foreign concept to the ExFJ.

The IxFJ, like the IxTJ, is deliberately friendly, or concerned about others, or what have you. They do not behave friendly and invested in others because it's their natural way of thinking, but because it's highly important to them. When interacting with an IxFJ, you get a stronger sense of how much they do (or don't) care about how others live their lives and interact with each other - plus, with that tertiary Ti, they're also awfully good at justifying whatever they say due to this. On the other hand, when interacting with an ExFJ, comparatively you get a stronger sense of how externally aware they are - usually external social awareness - more than anything else. Of course, this doesn't mean "socially competent" (although the average ExFJ is likely to have the most socially competent people), but the mere aspect of focusing outwardly, judging first by any ethical implications around them.

ExTP and ExFP, and tertiary/auxiliary judging functions

When it comes to ExTPs and ExFPs, it can often be tricky in choosing whether they're one or the other (F vs. T.) Sometimes it may feel obvious, but I think the most important thing is to compare if they're aux Ti/tert Fe, or aux Fi/tert Te. An ENTP (I would say looping, but I think an average ENTP is prone to this too) may look like an ENFP by how "random" and enthusiastic they are. However, because of an ENTP's tertiary Fe, it's likely that they're doing this on purpose - that they want to get a rise out of people, that they are desperate for attention (however buried down it may be). An ENTP is aggressive in this.

And it's not to say that ENTPs are rude and ENFPs are sensitive. It's intention. Despite the Fe doing things for/around people, because the Fe is tertiary, the ENTP struggles more with being socially aware - that is, recognizing that what they're saying/doing works, how people react to what they're doing, thinking about how what they do/say impacts others. The tertiary Fe tries extremely hard to be used, but unlike the ExFJ, the average/unhealthy tert Fe lacks the subsequent awareness in being used.

But the tertiary Fe does not come in just forms of calls of attention - it can come out through complete apathy, in which the user convinces themselves that they don't need to be concerned with how they affect others; or caretaking, in which the user tries very hard to protect and provide for people around them. Again, though they may behave these ways, the downside of any tertiary function is consequential awareness.

And like any F in any type, the tertiary Fe is highly selective and protective of those they care about.

The auxiliary Fi is different. People tend to assume that hyper, enthusiastic, random, happy, and usually loud characters are ExFPs, ENFPs more (if the character is ubiquitously happy.) And they're not always wrong.

(I will write a post on dom Se vs dom Ne at some point - that's another distinction I want to discuss.)

However, what sets the loud ExFP apart from the loud ExTP is that there is more... sincerity. (Sorry looping ExTPs.) An ExFP is behaving as such because that's themselves, they're choosing to do so because they want to. Where the obnoxious ExTP is prone to feel more performative or doesn't regularly appear to have some strong internal value driving them, the obnoxious ExFP is just Like That.

Like everyone who knows cognitive functions knows, Fi is largely based on internal self-awareness and personal values/ethics. When it comes to being in the auxiliary (or inferior) function, it is less used and more of a backdrop. What the ExFP and the ExTP have in common is that they are both aware of how they want to affect other people. However, the ExFP uses their (objective) tertiary Te to exert whatever it is they are exerting (usually activities/projects/ideas), while their auxiliary Fi a) knows how they want to affect people, and b) is aware of how they affect people, due to being in a "thinking/internal" (aux/inf) position.

It's not to say that auxiliary Fi is superior to tertiary Fe. An ExFP may be more naturally likable than an ExTP (your mileage may vary, of course; I'm just going by general overviews), but once the ExTP utilizes their Ti enough along with their Fe, they will notice patterns and make logical conclusions of how people will react and can easily navigate their way through a social atmosphere. Conversely, a looping ExFP may ignore personal values and their aux Fi will instead depend on external values/situations rather than self-generated emotions, ideas, and principles.

A looping ExFP is unique in that they tend not to look like their more average counterparts at all. Of course, I can say this about any type - but I feel like, for example, with an ISFJ, you still get some sort of idea that they are an ISFJ despite their being in an Si-Ti loop.* However, a looping ExFP tends to look extremely apathetic, indulging themselves in something they externally act on that they know will not guarantee in making them happy. This is the tertiary Te - usually a looping ExFP is overindulging in creating and performing objectives that their Fi does not genuinely and fully want without some sort of unhealthy motivation. Due to whatever is buried deep down within their auxiliary Fi - whether it's insecurity, trauma, need for attention - that is what's driving them. A looping ExFP knows exactly what they're doing! They also likely know why but try to ignore that reality. And yet, when presented with an issue, situation, or person they care about, they can easily access those emotions internally because their auxiliary Fi is still auxiliary Fi.

(I've been obsessed with the Good Place recently and there is a certain character there who I keep seeing typed as a T when I am pretty sure it is a looping auxiliary Fi.)

I dislike calling auxiliary Fi users "sensitive," although that's what they are in a more literal sense. Their static Fi both knows who they are and how what they do may impact others. An ENFP who gets into an argument knows they are, and knows they will get a rise out of the other person. An ENTP who gets into an argument is either completely unaware, or doesn't care.

So the ability to blatantly ignore that auxiliary function comes with any other type. The thing with ExFPs is that since Fi is basically self-sincerity, ignoring that tends to make them look not like themselves - that is, not like an ExFP and prone to getting mistyped. This is the issue with perhaps bizarre looking extroverts looking like another type... but not quite.

... I absolutely did not mean to make the ExFP vs ExTP portion so long, apologies.

* Loops are not void of the auxiliary function, but rather become extremely subconscious while the user struggles with their dominant & tertiary functions. Despite not being "used", from an outsider's perspective they can still be pretty visible.

As collaborated with necessarian.

ENFJ - Twisted Ethics/Cult Leader
ENFP - Beast
ENTJ - Big Bad
ENTP - Magnificent Bastard
ESFJ - Anti-Villain
ESFP - Sadist/Savage Predator
ESTJ - Abusive Authority Figure
ESTP - Career Criminal/Mercenary/Hired Guns
INFJ - Rival/Mirror/Nemesis/Archenemy
INFP - Vengeful Villain
INTJ - Traitor
INTP - Evil Genius
ISFJ - Fallen Hero
ISFP - Evil Doppelganger
ISTJ - World Dominator
ISTP - Devil Incarnate

introverts: the modes that get undersold

intps can be incredibly driven and passionate
infps can be intensely knowledgeable and rational

intjs can be incredibly sociable and adaptable
infjs can be intensely bossy and determined

istjs can be incredibly sociable and passionate
isfjs can be intensely detached and rational

istps can be incredibly driven and adaptable
isfps can be intensely knowledgeable and determined

extroverts: not as simple as an outgoing framework

entps can be two sides of silly and serious
enfps can be two sides of distracted and focused

estjs can be two sides of withdrawn and outgoing
esfjs can be two sides of supportive and aggressive

estps can be two sides of relaxed and anxious
esfps can be two sides of down to earth (outspoken) and dreamy (softspoken)

entjs can be two sides of control freaks and cheerleaders
enfjs can be two sides of sensitive and unbreakable

damaged mbti types are people who have undergone certain or specific situations wherein their ability to naturally act and react based on their initial cognition has been hindered, externally controlled/influenced, or repressed. includes but is not limited to toxic environments or traumatic situations.

damaged mbti types can be located in that they still exhibit some behavioral qualities of a certain mbti type, and more frequently than not indulge in that personality or action, but this personality only appears on rare occasions and is not necessarily the perceived "norm" for them; either that or they find specific environments wherein this "side" of themselves is allowed to come out, instead of being pressed back. for example, an entj raised in an abusive home may grow to be meek, avoidant, withdrawn, and quiet; but visibly excels in situations wherein they are allowed to lead and do what they want to do in adaptation to their surroundings rather than submitting to it.

being a damaged personality is not necessarily prescriptive by situation or mbti or even choice; the way people consciously or unconsciously react to situations differs, so two people of the same mbti type (or different) and both undergo traumatic experiences may either both turn out to be damaged, neither may be, or one may naturally react to turn out damaged while the other may not. additionally, visibility and prescribing a 'typical' trait to a certain type of damaged mbti is likely not reliable, as damaging, once again, relies on the situations which on an individual basis will still differ from person to person.

damaged mbti people are easily identifiable in the areas where they feel the most visibly comfortable with themselves; this is where "true" evidence of their mbti comes out. also, being damaged may cause extroverts (lead with extroverted function) to appear as introverts (lead with introverted function), and vice versa.

further damaged examples need to be gathered, though my only examples so far are jack frost from rise of the guardians (damaged entp - as visible from flashbacks and his love of "fun," though he spends a lot of time being broody and alone so people may be prone to typing otherwise without taking the damaged qualification into consideration), and myself.

also theory/possibility - damaged mbti types overexert their inferior function??? to consider as compared to a grip

no, not that kind of ism.

S-doms and T-doms are usually very expressively, visibly realistic, hence a natural need to act immediately in response to it - ExTJ, IxTP, ISxJ, ESxP
N-doms and F-doms are much less visibly focused on reality, as they tend to be wary or afraid that vocalizing an abstract fear into a concrete territory will make it real; if anything they tend appear more idealistic - IxFP, ExFJ, INxJ, ENxP

S-auxiliary and T-auxiliary to F-doms and N-doms are actually much more pessimistic than they appear, hence an innate desire to act immediately in response to it. If healthy and not in the grip this will appear as realistic idealism. - ISFP, ESFJ, INTJ, ENTP
N-auxiliary and F-auxiliary to T-doms and S-doms are actually much more optimistic than they appear, usually trusting in that their initial action (as motivated by their dominant function) to sail an abstract course away from their initial pessimism. If healthy and not in the grip this will appear as idealistic realism. - ENTJ, INTP, ISFJ, ESFP

S/T dom auxiliary and T/S dom auxiliary combine their perceived more pessimistic natures into a view they establish more objectively; that is, realism. They both act in the moment and react in the moment, able to perceive or believe in possibilities but still respond to the nature that is in front of them. If healthy and not in the grip they will have ambitions, moral values, and beliefs that they put a lot of themselves into. - ESTJ, ISTP, ISTJ, ESTP
F/N dom auxiliary and N/F dom auxiliary combine their more hopefully abstract natures into a view they establish not necessarily with optimism, but with idealism. Despite what they see is happening now, and despite what they are doing now, they have an inner faith that they cannot explain but that they believe in. Can be but is not always necessarily a spiritual/theistic faith; but they would be nothing without this inspiration. If healthy and not in the grip, they utilize this very strong core belief to motivate them to act and respond concretely and in the moment. - INFP, ENFJ, INFJ, ENFP

u: what the hell is this post
me: i have a perfectly good explanation for this

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