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  1. Image Dennis Frank 1

    Fair enough. smiley Don't want to deflate your high, but I listened to the RNZ news @ 9pm; they had around a dozen stories and this poll result was not one of them!

    Okay, could be that nobody in their newsroom tonight has been paying attention to other news media. Somewhat unprofessional, if not clueless.

    Could be a Deep State Agent has taken control, and has ordered that the result is to be ignored by State Media. If so, he may not be wearing a Deep State Agent logo on his uniform, of course. Some folks are just not retro.

    [1. RNZ have a piece about it on their website.
    2. RNZ are routinely low activity in the evenings with current events
    3. The poll is from a MSM rival, it’s probably not on their top priority list
    4. you can’t promote conspiracy theories here. Take this as a warning.
    – weka]

    [TheStandard: A moderator moved this comment to Open Mike as being off topic or irrelevant in the post it was made in. Be more careful in future.]

    • Image weka 1.1

      mod note.

      • Image Dennis Frank 1.1.1

        you can’t promote conspiracy theories here

        I was satirising it, but I accept that readers won't necessarily see that. I appreciate not being banned, but I may have to ban myself for a while to embed the deterrent.

        Why? 1. Elderly folk have terrible short-term memory performance (they drift on a flow of habitual stances). 2. Conspiracy theories drive much of politics globally nowadays, so any political commenter will want to swim in that sea.

        As usual, I have no real problem with your rationale. The only other point worth making is that it is human nature to wonder about possibilities – particularly in situations where more than facts are at play. Consequently, I was alerting MS & readers to the most salient possibility. Consciousness-raising.

        There's a more subtle point to that, too. AI may display a tendency to reflect bodies of human opinion in ratio to programmer input. Consequently any verdict it renders on political stuff is likely to provide a measure of that. Since around half of folks in western countries take conspiracy theories seriously nowadays, we ought to expect AI to do so too. Things have not yet gelled on that front sufficiently to give us a reliable take on how well design caters for this dimension of humanity.

        • Image weka 1.1.1.1

          I suggest you just make your satire more clear in that case. You're not the only one that applies to.

          Since around half of folks in western countries take conspiracy theories seriously nowadays…

          that needs a citation. Maybe you are being rhetorical, but how would we know. Precision matters. If I as a mod have to sit here and wonder what you mean too much, that's a problem.

          …we ought to expect AI to do so too.

          Definitely want a credible citation for why we ought to expect that. Or what you even mean. You seem to be implying more capacity to AI than it has. If you mean AI can be manipulated, yes it can, but critical thinking still works.

          The problem here is you making claims of fact when they are actually opinions. We all do it at times, but it's harder to make sense of yours.

          I didn't understand the relevance of elderly people's memory, but would add that since covid, lots of people have shit memory. Taking notes helps. I'd also suggest posting less number of comments, and putting more into the ones you do make. Again, you're not the only person that's applied too. It does help.

          • Image Dennis Frank 1.1.1.1.1

            Yeah, my half was based on poor memory, so here's the AI composite view from Google:

            Polls reveal varied belief in conspiracy theories, with significant portions of populations accepting ideas about media control (74%), suppressed cures (72%), or election fraud (42%), while younger people, those relying on social media for news, and certain political groups often show higher belief, though overall agreement on specific fringe theories can be low (around 10-19%)

            This from a polling org:

            The survey was fielded August 20–26, 2025, with a sample of 1,590 registered voters and a modeled margin of error of ±2.6%. https:/changeresearch.com/beyond-the-fringe/#:~:text=According%20to%20a%20Change%20Research%20survey%2C%20conspiracy,alien%20life%20has%20reached%20Earth%20many%20times

            Post-stratification was performed on age, gender, race/ethnicity, education, region, and 2024 presidential vote to ensure representativeness. The results of this collapse are those who said Definitely true and Probably true when asked about a list of conspiracies (Question Text: Below is a list of statements that some people believe and others do not. indicate whether you think it is completely true, mostly true, mostly false, completely false, or if you are not sure.)

            The results reveal two clear patterns. First, when conspiracy theories align with existing institutional mistrust—whether toward government, the media, corporations, or technology – belief soars, often above 50% of voters.

            This one does state comparisons: https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/33746-global-where-believe-conspiracy-theories-true

  2. Image Dennis Frank 2

    State media has always defined reality for kiwis, so their political policy, defined by what they report as news, signifies Aotearoa's control system. RNZ's news bulletin at 7.30am failed to report the significant jump in Labour support in yesterday's poll that RNZ reported on their website. So we're supposed to take it as too insigificant to dwell on.

    Well, sheeple is as sheeple does. Anyone surprised? surprise I am. It ain't like Deep State Agents to be so out there, doing their thing. Waving a stern finger at Labour being audacious seems a tad 19th century, but we are still neocolonial so no surprise there.

  3. Image Karolyn_IS 3

    Why the NZ media silence on Trump's illegal and lying statement on blockading Venezuela and his veiled threats to attack the country, and steal its oil and resources?

    • Image Dennis Frank 3.1

      My guess is that they see it as a matter of competitive framing:

      While the U.S. has long considered Maduro the head of a corrupt dictatorial regime, Trump last month, in an unprecedented move, declared him the head of a foreign terrorist organization. "The illegitimate Maduro Regime is using Oil from these stolen Oil Fields to finance themselves, Drug Terrorism, Human Trafficking, Murder, and Kidnapping," Trump wrote in the post on Tuesday. "For the theft of our Assets, and many other reasons, including Terrorism, Drug Smuggling, and Human Trafficking, the Venezuelan Regime has been designated a FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATION."

      Capitalising the label is meant to make it even more official, to impress voters who are into capitals. Not just capitalism, though, also imperialism, to revive imperialist foreign policy as another way of impressing voters.

    • Image Res Publica 3.2

      RNZ has reported on this, so it’s not really accurate to call it “media silence.”

      On the substance: yes, a blockade of “sanctioned” tankers is a serious escalation. But it’s overly simplistic to say U.S. policy toward the Maduro regime is driven solely by a desire to access Venezuelan oil.

      First, the U.S. is now broadly a net exporter of petroleum on balance (even though it still imports some crude for refinery/logistics reasons). It’s not in the same position as the 2000s where “we need their oil” was a straightforward explanation.

      It's capable of supplying its own domestic needs, even though it’s still exposed to global price shocks.

      Second, the more consistent through-line in Trump-era Venezuela policy has been political coercion and regime change. Seeking to squeeze the Maduro regime through sanctions and economic leverage, without risking a repeat of the open-ended entanglements of Iraq and Afghanistan.

      Trump’s foreign policy brand is a paradox: willing to threaten, and at times us, force on one hand. But reluctant to commit to large-scale, expensive, and unpopular “forever wars” on the other.

      That tension arguably reflects the mood within MAGA as much as Trump’s own instincts: perform strength, avoid open-ended deployments and nation-building.

      In any case, the oil matters here less as a resource to loot and more as the economic lifeline of a broken and despotic regime: one that can be deliberately disrupted to pressure elites and undermine Maduro’s legitimacy.

      So, call it reckless, escalatory, and legally dubious if you want. That has the great value of being true.

      But “they’re doing it to steal Venezuela’s oil” reads more like a slogan than a serious account of what’s driving the policy.

      Petroleum politics is so 2004.

      • Image Visubversa 3.2.1

        Venezuela and Canada have heavy crude. Most of the USA's fracked oil is light crude. America's refineries are mostly set up for heavy crude. MSNOW had a feature on it a couple of nights ago.

      • Image Karolyn_IS 3.2.2

        Thanks.

        I must have still been putting my post below together when you posted this.

        Clearly the latest statement by Trump has been a worrying escalation, and regime change does seem to be a significant part of that. Trump seems to be going for control of the Americas from Canada on south.

        The US govt has long been keen on replacing Sth American govts with ones keen to do the US bidding.

        It also sounds like oil is a significant thing for Trump, including control over where Venezuela exports oil to, but also the US import of some crude from Venezuela.

        Politico has an article that says Trump has been asking US oil companies to return to Venezuela and revive what is a dwindling and poorly resourced industry there, but is not getting any takers at the moment for various reasons. The article says there's a "latent" interest in the US companies returning to Venezuela.

        At the same time, restricting oil exports from Venezuela will help to get Maduro out of office.

        The UK Independent has an article that says the US does want access to Venezuelan crude oil which requires advanced technology to extract, and

        The amount of crude oil that Venezuela has been able to export to the U.S. has since significantly dwindled.

        Regime change in Venezuela, in favour of a president more aligned with U.S. interests, would provide Washington with increased access to Venezuelan crude oil, which is cheaper than crude oil from other countries due to its dense, viscous nature.

        It could allow major U.S. oil companies, including Chevron — which already produces oil in Venezuela — to expand their operations in the country. This would allow the U.S. to reduce its reliance on oil from the Middle East and Russia.

        The article also says the US govt wants to stop Venezuela exporting oil to China. Plus, though Maduro seems to have come to power fraudulently, the main issue for the US (as always re Sth America) is that, as the Independent article says:

        It would also be a strategic win on the geopolitical stage, with Maduro currently allied with many of the U.S.’s adversaries, including China, Iran and Russia.

      • Image Subliminal 3.2.3

        On the contary, one can never have too much oil:

        Trump outright admitted on the campaign trail of 2023 that, “When I left, Venezuela was ready to collapse, we would have taken it over, we would have gotten all that oil, it would have been right next door”.

        Or:

        The U.S. representative, María Elvira Salazar, who has been heavily pushing for this war, admitted on Fox Business that, “Venezuela for the American oil companies will be a field day because there will be more than a trillion dollars in economic activity. American companies can go in and fix all the oil pipes, the whole oil rigs and everything that has to do with the Venezuelan petroleum companies or everything that has to do with oil and the derivatives”.

        Or:

        María Corina Machado, the U.S. puppet in the Venezuelan opposition who they want to install as leader, also said on Donald Trump Jr. ‘s show that “Venezuela has huge resources: oil, gas, minerals, land, technology … American companies are in, you know, a super strategic position to invest. American companies are in, you know, a super strategic position to invest,” and at the Miami Business forum, promised a “$1.7 trillion opportunity, not only in oil and gas …but also in mining, in gold, in infrastructure, power” from a “massive privatization program that is waiting for you.”

        https://the307.substack.com/p/trump-announces-siege-warfare-on?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

        And on the subject of María Corina Machado, the tirelessly brave Julian Assange seems ready for more action. He

        has just launched a criminal complaint against the Nobel Foundation for awarding the “peace prize” this year to the U.S. puppet in Venezuela, María Corina Machado, noting that she has called for and cheered on U.S. war crimes in Venezuela and that it is illegal under Swedish law to use Nobel Foundation for the promotion of war and war crimes.

        Nobels will is binding under Swedish law and the peace prize can not be used to promote war. Some of the more egregious statements by Machado include:

        -5 December 2025, Machado on CBS Face the Nation: “I say this from Oslo right now, I have dedicated this award to [President Trump] because I think that he finally has put Venezuela in where it should be, in terms of a priority for the United States national security.”

        – 30 October 2025, Bloomberg interview: “Military escalation may be the only way… the United States may need to intervene directly”

        -17 October 2025, call to Benjamin Netanyahu on Israel’s conduct in Gaza: “The Nobel Peace Prize laureate told the Prime Minister that she greatly appreciates his decisions and resolute actions in the course of the war.”

        -October 2025, Fox News interview on U.S. military strikes on civilian vessels: “justified.”

        -5 October 2025, interview in The Sunday Times on the U.S. military buildup and extra-judicial assassination strikes against civilian boats: Trump’s strikes are “visionary”. “I totally support his strategy.”

        -February 2025, interview with Donald Trump Jr.: “We’re going to kick the government out of the oil sector … American companies are going to make a lot of money … forget Saudi Arabia, we have more oil.”

        -9 February 2019, interview with EL PAÍS: Maduro will only leave “in the face of a real threat from a more powerful state.”

        – February 2014, testimony before U.S. Congress: “The only path left is the use of force.”

        https://the307.substack.com/p/julian-assange-launches-criminal?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=400703&post_id=181891172&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=b9n9c&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

        This is a person just begging for the country she calls home to be invaded along with all the blood spilling that will entail.

        Lastly, a naval blockade with no declaration of war is considered in the same basket as an actual invasion and can be prosecuted as a crime of aggresion.

        “It is international law 101 that a military blockade is not just a violation of the UN Charter, but a crime of aggression.

        Unless that blockade is in response to an ‘armed attack.’

        None of President’s Trump’s list of complaints come close to an armed attack.”

        https://x.com/rgoodlaw/status/2001086748642668865

        Machado is literally fully supporting and encouraging the US to commit war crimes in her country

        • Image Res Publica 3.2.3.1

          I’m not remotely supportive of Trump’s Venezuela posture. The current policy is reckless, escalatory, and legally fraught.

          But if we’re going to be serious about analysing the situation, we should acknowledge that foreign policy is almost never monocausal. States act from a bundle of incentives: domestic politics, coercive diplomacy, sanctions enforcement, regional signalling, and strategic competition, alongside economic interests like oil.

          At the same time, we don’t need to romanticise Maduro in order to criticise Trump. His regime is, at best, legally dubious, politically repressive, and economically catastrophic. It’s hard to argue Venezuelans, or the region, are better off with it remaining in place.

          The key point for me is this: it’s entirely possible to oppose Trump’s escalation and want Venezuela to have a democratic transition, without pretending either (a US coercion campaign or an entrenched authoritarian regime) is the “good” side. And without treating the word imperialism as a substitute for context, mechanism, or evidence.

          • Image Subliminal 3.2.3.1.1

            Perhaps you're wrong and what is needed more for proper analysis, is to stop demonising the heads of state that you wish to "regime change". Anyone believing that Netanyahuu is making all the right choices has serious problems not to mention her obsequious desire to please Trump.

            On the economic front, I think you underestimate the ability of the US to strangle an economy simply by applying its hegemonic control over all finance relating to $US world reserve currency. Currently, only one nation has survived complete denial of access to the $US system.

            We are being sold the exact same bullshit that was sold before Libya and before Iraq and the result is many orders of magnitude greater than any evil you would care to hang on Maduro. Sadly, it is not possible to look at the result and go oh man thats bad and return to what you had. If you cant see that a genocide supporter (Machado) would not hesitate to unleash hell against those dirty iindigenous commumities that stood in her way then I don't know what else to say. But shes just another Seymour type that knows the price of everything and the value of nothing

            • Image Res Publica 3.2.3.1.1.1

              I’m not “demonising” Maduro. I’m describing the regime in fairly standard terms: authoritarian, repressive, and economically catastrophic. Which is not exactly a controversial characterisation in mainstream comparative politics or IR.

              If you put aside (for a moment) the very real concerns about US hegemony and its awful track record on externally driven regime change, there is still a pretty airtight case that some kind of political transition is necessary. The status quo is producing an ongoing economic and humanitarian disaster.

              But that is not the same thing as saying there’s a case for US coercion, let alone military escalation. A desirable outcome does not automatically make every means of achieving it morally, legally, or strategically acceptable.

              This is foreign policy: you rarely get good options, only trade-offs. States typically choose the least bad course, or the one that advances core interests at the lowest acceptable cost.

              And at the end of the day, being opposed to US hegemony doesn't give you a free pass on arresting and torturing your opponents, presiding over systemic corruption, or overseeing a prolonged collapse that leaves millions facing food insecurity and unreliable access to basic services like electricity and safe water.

              • Image SPC

                US policy is now officially non interference in domestic affairs, unless it determines on having cause – leadership of NATO (as white race nation identity authoritarian, rather than the free democratic world), the MIC sales front, imperial dictator on bi-lateral trade arrangements and as the America's hegemon.

                Nations do not go from the end of USAID to concern for the people of Venezuela with any credibility.

                The use of sanctions in the interest of the US oil industry is the driver.

                The exercise of military blockade power is the follow up.

                The motive is greed (Canadian and Greenland oil/gas assets).

    • Image Karolyn_IS 3.3

      RNZ has a reprint of an AFP (Agence France-Presse?) article on the "US oil blockade of Venezuela" that is pretty tame and avoids the details of what Trump's statement includes.

      RNZ/AFP:

      Trump's administration has been piling pressure on the country and its government for months, in an apparent bid to oust leftist leader Nicolas Maduro – whom Washington accuses of heading a drug cartel.

      The US president has said that Maduro's "days are numbered" and pointedly refused to rule out a ground invasion, but the Venezuelan leader has remained defiant so far.

      Trump's statement on Truth Social, accuses Venezuela of stealing USA's oil, land and other assets and wants them returned. This clearly makes oil the key thing Trump wants. the statement goes on to say that Venezuela uses the "stolen oil" to fund "Drug Terrorism, Human Trafficking, Murder, and Kidnapping."

      Actually, as I understand it, US oil companies were profiteering by extracting Venezuelan oil, and the Venezuelan govt, cancelled the contract and nationalised the oil for the country's benefit. The whole drug stuff is a spurious claim as the main illegal drug trafficking comes from the likes of Venezuela.

      The AFP article does make it clear that Trump wants to force regime change in Venezuela.

      Apparently international law is complex on foreign imposition of regime change. The UN Charter supports a country's sovereignty without foreign interference or threats. but some argue there are times when it's acceptable eg for humanitarian reasons or human rights abuses. However, it does happen & generally it's thought it requires the authorisation of the UN Security Council.

    • Image SPC 3.4

      A few months back the Nobel Peace Prize went to the Opposition leader in Venezuela for her defence of democracy.

      She wants to restore American control of the nations oil industry (end sanctions).

      It would appear a cunning plan to have POTUS 47 focus on the Americas and US support for regime change in Venezuela, rather than pressuring Ukraine, to win his peace prize.

      The "narco-terrorist" state claim is risible. The two states with the drug cartels are Mexico and Columbia (most drugs go into the USA via Mexico). It seems a reprise of claims made about Iraq (another socialist state with oil sanctions imposed on it). The desired goal being to end sanctions on the states oil but only after a regime change. The language used is to legitimise action to that end using the US military.

      1976

      • President Carlos Andrés Pérez of Venezuela officially nationalized its entire oil industry on January 1, 1976, leading to the creation of the state-owned firm Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA).

      2007

      • President Hugo Chávez furthered this control in 2007 by requiring foreign oil companies to grant PDVSA majority control in joint ventures. Companies like ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillips that refused these terms had their assets seized, leading to long-standing legal battles in international tribunals.

      2025

      • Early this year, the U.S. government revoked major licenses that had allowed foreign firms like Chevron, BP, and Shell to operate or export crude from Venezuela.
  4. Image Sanctuary 4

    The Vanity Fair interview with White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles is extraordinary.

    For those who do not know Wiles, she is probably the most important person in the Trump administration not named Trump. A long-time Republican political operative, Wiles was taken onboard during Trump’s first election campaign when she was his Florida chair (a rather important position considering the crucial weight of Florida’s electoral votes). Wiles stayed very close since and helped Trump win election again in 2024. She was then immediately made Chief of Staff. She runs the Trump White House, so anything she says is worthy of the closest Kremlinology.

    There are lots of interesting stuff. JD Vance has been a conspiracy theorist for a decade. Musk post some of his craziest stuff "when he’s microdosing.” She referred to Health and Human Services secretary Robert F Kennedy Jnr as another world-class disrupter, as “my Bobby” and “quirky Bobby.” indicating his anti-vax lunacy is respected in the White House. Trump has floated a Vance-Rubio GOP presidential ticket in 2028, clearly his preference. On Ukraine she says “Donald Trump thinks he (Putin) wants the whole country” – which begs the question, is Trump happy to help Putin?

    So much to digest.

    Here are the links:

    https://archive.is/79tgs Part 1

    https://archive.is/wDiHj Part 2.

    • Image Dennis Frank 4.1

      As far as trends go, being crazy has been cool since forever, and microdosing is so widespread it seems to be mainstreaming…

      Elon Musk recently reported that he microdoses ketamine for the treatment of depression, while Prince Harry said mushrooms and ayahuasca helped him through the grief of losing his mother. https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2024/02/01/what-is-microdosing/72308818007/

      It has also piqued the interest of physicians and researchers, as more evidence is emerging that microdosing can improve mental health.

      Vanity is fair at the top of politics, so her choice of media was spot on. Media capitalises on sensational stuff so narcissists are happy to provide it. Demand meets supply in the classic prescription. Harry's combination of warfare and tripping recycled Vietnam War soldier ethos precisely, made a man out of him with sufficient strength and clarity to know what his dad & bro were doing wrong and provide a positive role model instead.

      Her commentary (have only read reported highlights) seems nicely forthright. The publisher's spin elicited a stroppy reaction from her but no big deal…

  5. Image Hunter Thompson II 5

    Anyone thinking of eating paua fritters from a local fish & chip shop should think again.

    According to Youtube reports, paua is poached in huge amounts around NZ coasts (500 tons pa) and the black market is valued at $36 million.

    If the retailer has bought black market paua, consumers can have no confidence the shellfish (or other fish) has been stored properly before it reaches the shop, and it may be a significant health risk.

  6. Image SPC 6

    Australia is enacting hate speech legislation, including the antisemitism's envoy's July report.

    The political right wing, here and in Oz will make no criticism, because it is couched as part of antisemitism action.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o

    The USA has criticised Australian censorship of free speech since Albanese became PM, but has similar laws there on antisemitism – (IHRA definition and Jewish safety on campus).

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/dec/16/labor-fast-tracking-response-antisemitism-envoy-report-bondi-attack-jillian-segal-what-are-the-recommendations-explainer-ntwnfb

  7. Image greywarshark 7

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/582219/high-court-orders-corrections-boss-to-obey-law-allowing-prisoners-one-hour-out-of-cell

    A surname for a prison governor – Lightfoot? And he has been heavy footed according to the UN rules on decent human treatment. And he is wearing what looks like a police uniform although a CEO of prisons which are a private enterprise. One that has raw material manufactured by our disgraceful governments.

    Politicians are ultimately responsible for this semi-torture. They lock up ordinary people who have broken the law, for doing similar things to unreasonable things similar to what they do, hurtful but not involving personal violence from themselves. But the system is dynamic, which implies that change may be occuring. I should cocoa! That means something unlike the promises and reports and excuses that come from these dictators in our society.

    Commissioner of custodial services, Leigh Marsh, said they had been working to meet the court's order. "We've been doing work in that environment to ensure that we are able to dynamically increase the staff, so I've increased the base number of staff in there immediately, to reduce the risk of the inability to do simultaneous unlocks," he said.

    What a hoax this government is and if we don't wake up to the fact we will have proved that dumb people as we Kiwis seem to be, will never catch on. So the vicious pollies are home and hosed as the saying went.

    • Image weka 8.1

      Hi Eco, the comments aren’t the right fit for TS and we won’t be letting through any more. Hope you can find somewhere that’s a better match. All the best for the summer season.

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