Red Flags or Just Red Tape?
I recently had a coffee and a chat with an old friend that I knew back in Korea. He’s started a new job here in Vietnam, and he wanted to run a few things by me. That is, he wanted to get my opinion on some things that seemed odd to him and he wondered if I’d see these things as red flags or just part of working in Vietnam. I got a free coffee and an interesting tale (as well as permission to write about it if I didn’t get too deep into the specifics*) out of it.

So my friend, let’s call him Eddie, has been in Vietnam for around 2.5 years. He has an MATESOL and worked at the university level in Korea for many years. My recent post discussing the “EFL scene” in Korea and Vietnam prompted him to get in touch with his story.
Eddie has been working at an educational institution in Vietnam for around a month, and just a few weeks into his probationary period, he’s already seeing things that make him nervous. Eddie wasn’t sure whether these were broad cultural issues, early warning signs, growing pains at a new educational institution, or something more specific to his new workplace and its culture.
He started the position on a Monday in early January and was asked to cover a colleague’s class that Thursday.
Since the institution purports to be a university, he thought it was more than a bit odd to be dropped into someone else’s MA-level course for a day. He was surprised they didn’t simply reschedule. They needed a sub because his new colleague had to miss class due to an “administrative mix-up” regarding their visa.
Even though he thought it was a bit “Mickey Mouse” and not really befitting a proper educational institution, Eddie worked hard to prepare for the sessions he was to substitute for. It turns out that he was responsible for covering hundreds of pages of text in a 3-hour session. He was given slides but they were mostly just summaries of the textbook. He dove in and tried to make sense of the material and make it digestible, interesting and meaningful to a group of students he didn’t know much about. As he is on a probationary contract he thought it best to just go with the flow and do what was asked of him.
The colleague he was replacing for a day said to him, “Don’t make me look bad” in a half-joking way. I suspect Eddie was more worried about wasting students’ time or making himself look bad. I think he is not the type to get nervous but he told me he was surely “amped up” and “on edge.”
He felt he did well under the circumstances. He had made some nice connections with the students (presumably students he will teach in his own class in the future). One of the students was a woman who was around his age and invited him to be a guest speaker at her training center (or similar business) in the future. He said that he was flattered and would have to check to make sure it was acceptable with his contract. At the time, it struck him as a casual, offhand conversation with a student he developed a connection with.
Regarding the whole experience of subbing in on an MA class, he said his thinking at the time was something like, “that was a pretty weird experience but it was not so bad and it was nice to get a feel for the types of classes I might teach in the future.”
A few days later he was hauled into his boss’s office and was told that he’d need official permission from the educational institution if he ever wanted to do any presentations. He felt the tone was overly accusatory and aggressive. Eddie pieced together that word must have gotten out about his conversation with the student who’d invited him to speak. He felt the boss was just delivering vague warnings and flexing administrative might rather than actually talking about a concrete policy or providing any sort of guidance or leadership.
I know that Eddie likes presenting (and maybe the sound of his own voice) and I know that he values autonomy. He didn’t take this missive from the boss very well. He wanted specifics. What exactly was being prohibited? All talks/workshops/presentations? All presentations that came from people he met at the educational institution? It seems his boss was not able to provide specifics but rather just a warning to not cause trouble or any undue attention to the fledgling institution.
His boss was able to say that this is Vietnam and they are working for a new institution, a startup, and just being on a stage could invite unneeded suspicion. What if another speaker at a symposium said something the Vietnamese government didn’t like? The boss suggested this was an unneeded risk and that speaking engagements needed to be vetted and approved. It sounds like the boss played the “This is Vietnam” card but couldn’t fully explain it.
Eddie, like me, is a believer in the “better to ask for forgiveness than permission” school of thought (probably learned in Korea) and said that he would not use the institution’s name when presenting. He had no intention of asking for permission to present. He considered the matter closed, even if he was annoyed at the situation and lost trust and respect for the bosses.
He found it even more annoying when he had a meeting with the HR team to discuss the matter and learned that it was completely fine for him to present for the student and her company and it was considered good publicity for the institution. After mentioning that the HR meeting took much longer than the conversation with the student (I guess he couldn’t resist), he said that he’d have to think about it but decided (perhaps vowed) that he’d never use the institution’s name as his professional affiliation when presenting.
He thought that I could give him some level-headed advice about this as someone with distance from the situation and more experience. I honestly said it sounded like there are quite a few red flags and advised him to be careful and to keep his eyes and options open. It’s not like any particular thing was drastic or catastrophic but the whole thing was pretty odd. I didn’t say, “run” but I did say “make sure you know where your running shoes are.”
Questions for Readers:
- Do you agree there are some red flags here? If so, how many can you identify?
- What advice would you give Eddie?
- Would you like to hear more of Eddie’s recent stories?
*My vast team of lawyers instructs me to say the above should be taken as a fictional account from an unverified source. We could even say, “This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events and incidents are either the products of the author’s imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons living or dead, or actual events or companies is purely coincidental.”


