Yesterday I posted a couple of questions on Facebook regarding “church”. I wanted to know peoples honest thoughts, opinions, feelings, experiences with church. The responses I got were not all what I expected, in fact in some cases I was taken aback by the vulnerable candid honesty with which people replied. Many of the answers were idealistic in their approach to the question and others were answered through the lense of personal experience. So that you can understand where I will be coming from throughout this post, here are the questions I posted yesterday and the majority of replies that I received (I left out some due to repetition and I’ve left off names to protect the innocent 🙂 ).
Question: I know I may be opening up a can of worms here, but I would like to hear your thoughts on church. You may have gone to church your whole life or you may have never graced the doors of a church but I’d love to hear all of your thoughts on what you think church is. Please keep it to comments and no arguing on the subject:) Everyone will have their own thoughts and I’d love to hear them all!
Answers in reply:
Went to church when I was younger, it’s fine I have nothing against gathering to pray and sing and worship God, but I believe you don’t have to gather with others in church to be a Christian, and a believer, and to pray…I’ve been doing alot of that on my own lately…
Church is an important part of a believers walk with God because it allows us to be in fellowship with other believers. However churches are filled with imperfect people who make mistakes and often hurt one another. I know many people that have been hurt deeply by different churches (myself included) but I think this gives us an amazing opportunity to show mercy and forgiveness to one another. It is a place to learn and then be sent out. But the “church” isnt confined in the four walls of a building. The church is the body of believers and we need to get out of our comfort zones and be “the church” everyday everywhere.
Church is a hospital for the broken
I was A Mormon til I went to hs. then I quit goin to church til i had my oldest daughter, i attend cma church when i can. I work n take care of kids. I dont think u always have to attend church on regular basis but can catch every now the lecture from the churchs website….
The fact, God is everywhere He hears and sees us with each breath we take. I feel church to me is where we go to learn to be better at being aware of God’s promises and His word. We can’t be a a Christian part time! With God it is ALL or nothing…you get to choose. Church is just a learning tool and our pastors do a great job at apply daily lifestyles to God’s promise to us!
Do not forsake the gathering together….what does that mean to you.
Church should be like Acts 2:43-47. Sadly this is not the case.
I have attended church most of my life and never ever saw myself leaving. I honestly was shocked when I found the need to leave for a season and seek God about the challenges my family was going thru and finding that knowledge about God seemed to be more worshipped than God Himself in many churches today. I asked God to show me what I was believing that wasn’t true and what I found was astounding. We meet with a small group of believers that worship Jesus and allow God to love them so that then we can love others. It is amazing what was accomplished on the cross and through the resurrection. I feel FREE to experience the gifts and inheritance that He has left for us and it has been INCREDIBLE! It is no longer about me but about Jesus! That is what the New Covenant Gospel is ALL about. Most churches don’t seem to realize that we are NOW under the NEW Covenant which was brought forward by the resurrection. The teachings of Jesus in the gospels was under the Old Covenant. Jesus was born under the law. His death and resurrection FREED us from the law & gifted us with His Righteousness. Not because we deserved it but because Jesus knew this this kind of love would be the ONLY thing that would compel us and complete us. He said it is FINISHED and I am now believing it’s true! His love still amazes me and is bigger than I ever could have imagined. I am not opposed to church but if it is not preaching the Good news of the Gospel of Grace then it is not good & life giving news! Thanks for asking and giving me an opportunity to share about the Love
I’ve thought about how to answer this and not have people wonder about me, lol. For me it’s a two part answer and certainly not a set in stone answer. Church should be, and often is, a place to gather together for learning/encouragement/teaching/equipping so we are ready to head back into this life. It’s also a place that, in some ways, has become another club to fill our time.
For me…it has been a place that people who judge hide behind. It has been a place that seems to allow people who do not walk daily in gods path to do it once a week and feel better about themselves. For this very reason I don’t attend church. I pray everyday and I do my best to walk in gods path, but because I’m not always great at it, I fear church and a gathering of large followers because of judgment. What does that say about the churches I’ve been to? Not great, but I haven’t stopped seeking one in hopes of finding one that attempts to follow what they preach about. Until then…I continue to live my life in gods path at home and out in public.
I myself was never brought up with a life of going to church, my parents are not bad people because of this, I think they wanted us to figure out what we need and what is for us in life. I have been with friends growing up. I have always believed in God, I just never thought you needed to attend a building to prove I believed in him. Well my life has changed quite dramatically within the last couple months, this is a change that was going to happen. After we moved I found myself out of sorts, and realizing that I was being called/or more like talked to silently that I needed more than just the understanding that God and I share. So I have been trying to gather the courage to attend a building that will have individuals inside to teach me more about God and his way. Anyways. Trying to put myself out there…..A little at a time. Haha Not even sure I answered a question.
I’m in a unique position of having been on staff at churches pretty much from the point I could call myself an adult till the present. I confess there have been times when I’ve wondered “If I wasn’t on staff at a church–what would I do?” That’s why this thread is interesting to me. I appreciate the candid responses. I believe that if we are “not to forsake gathering together” then there must be something that can happen in a gathering that cannot happen alone. That seems logical to me and I have witnessed it. I believe there is power, encouragement and motivation when a group of people come together honestly and humbly before God. The song “Love Came Down” says it so well: “I remind myself of all that You’ve done, and the life I have because of Your Son.” I think that is what church is for–a regular reminding of our souls. We are human–we all have emotions, will and intellect. I think church should help align us on all of those levels. We need to be able to connect–as fully integrated humans–with the story of grace and with the family of God. We need to be able to connect emotionally and intellectually–soul and mind.
Churches these days are more museums of perfection than sanctuaries for the broken.
And heaven forbid you look or act different or happen to love the wrong person.
It’s not a building, If you’ve given your heart to the Lord then your a part of the Church Family. The church building is where the family meets to be connected with each other. It’s place where the hurting can come and ask for help and not be judged or criticized. It’s a place where we can unite with one heart and worship our Lord who gave His life for us.
My Pastor once said this during a sermon, and it has stuck with me. “Church is not a house for God’s saints, but a hospital for His sinners.”
Honestly, where else can you go and open your heart to God with friends and family and sing your lungs out, maybe cry a little, hear a good inspiring, challenging message, hug and encourage people and be convicted to go out in the world and be a blessing? Nowhere but church
I followed up with the question: In regards to my earlier post, I’m very interested in hearing from those of you who don’t go to church. There are no right or wrong answers to this. What do you think of church and why?
Here are the answers in reply:
I use to go to Sunday school growing up, got confirmed in 9th grade…was baptized @ 21. I believe in God, I pray, but I feel like being as he knows how I feel I don’t need to go to Church to believe….I enjoy the outdoor scenery he has created….that is my church!
I enjoy church for the message usually. I don’t feel like I would be condemned if I didn’t go as I know where my walk is with God and accepted Christ in my heart so long ago. I feel that the frustration about church is that everyone who goes is imperfect, however I have felt judged by many in church for years. Especially older people. Yes, I’m a sinner, yes, I still make mistakes, yes I know when I’ve done wrong… But when the tables are turned, I really try to accept everyone for who they are as Jesus did. I went to a youth group when I was younger and had a youth pastor who was unmarried and in his mid 30’s. He made sexual passes at my best friend and I and said some very inappropriate things to us. When we confronted the church about it (and it was not CMA) they did nothing but slap him on the wrist. There has been quite a few things that I have experienced in church life. Some good, some bad. Bottom line, I have never found a place where I felt so comfortable that I could call it my home church. I hope I can experience it someday as I do enjoy church. In fact, I really enjoy the CMA, but my fiancé feels very out of place there and people that go there know him from his past and still seem to pass judgement on who he used to be. That makes it frustrating as I love it there but he just feels way too uncomfortable there. Main point is, God is awesome and no matter where I am, I know who my Saviour is and I know where I’m going when I die. I’m grateful for being brought up in church and I want the same for my kids.
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The thing that surprised me the most about all of the comments I received is that not one of them, not a single one mentioned hypocrites. In all honesty, I expected that to be a top response. I know I’ve heard it numerous times, “I don’t go to church because the church is full of hypocrites”. And you know what? It is. Now if you are reading this and are now fully offended because you go to church and you’re getting ready to jump on your high horse to defend the church, don’t worry, this post is not about bashing the church, it’s about shedding some light on the truth about the church.
I titled this post “The Church is Full Of. . .” because I’m sure we could all finish that sentence with a different word, and we would most likely all be correct. The church is full of. . .hypocrites, judgement, liars, cranky people, sinners, saints, hurting people, healed people, leaders, followers, cynics, cliques, gossip, slander, worship, encouragement, faith, fellowship, family. Yes, the church is full of all of these things, and you know why? Because the church is full of people; humans. Christians, unbelievers, those somewhere in between, doubters, prayer warriors, ex-cons, drunkards, doctors, lawyers, teachers, preachers, tax collectors, people. The church is a motley crew of humans to say the least.
You may be asking, “Are you talking about the church universal or the local church?” and my answer would be, yes. When I say church, I mean both your home church, the local church and the church as the body of Christ, since that’s what they all are. If you have accepted God to be the Lord of you life, you are part of the body of Christ, the church. Now here’s where it gets messy.
As soon as you accept Jesus into your heart you are “saved”, you are a child of God, made righteous in His sight because of the blood of Jesus that was shed for us on the cross. But does that mean that you are instantly perfect? Do all of your human faults, failures, struggles, bad habits, magically disappear all of a sudden and you no longer sin ever again because you are now a Christian? Is that what that means? No. Being a Christian is a daily walk with God, daily giving Him our struggles, our sin, our faults and allowing Him to change us to be more like Him.
This is where the church comes in. For those of you who thought by the questions that I posed yesterday on Facebook and this post that I am somehow challenging the theology of the church, let me assure you, I am not. I am simply discussing something that has been on my heart for quite some time, the misconception of church. The Bible is clear that God established the church (Matt. 16:18), that we as the church are the body of Christ (1Cor. 12:1-31, and as an extra note, the chapter that follows this is what is known as the “Love Chapter”, coincidence, I think not:) ). And to quote the scripture that was quoted to me more than once yesterday in the replies and is used over and over to “defend” why people need to go to church, Hebrews 10:24-25, “And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.”
Now before I go any further, let’s talk about this scripture, Hebrews 10:24-25. If you look at the whole of Hebrews chapter 10, it is addressing a call to persevere in the faith. Perhaps written to Jews who were considering returning to Judaism, Hebrews chapters 8-10 clearly discuss the “old covenant” and the “new covenant”, or in other words, living under the law and rules of the old way of doing “church” versus living in the new covenant, the freedom that came through Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection. The people in the church of that day were still struggling with the fact that they no longer needed to offer daily sacrifices for their sins as they were accustomed to doing because Jesus died on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice. What’s interesting to me is that the verses used to communicate the importance of gathering together (ie. Church), Hebrews 10:24-25 is sometimes used as a “rule” for Christians when in fact it is in the middle of a passage talking about being freed from the need for “rules and regulations” regarding sacrifices. If we are truly a part of the body of Christ, we will desire to meet together! If we are in deed walking daily with God, seeking Him, reading His word, willing to be changed to be more like Him, we will desire to meet together, we will seek the encouragement of our brothers and sisters in Christ. Notice also the verses that follow Hebrews 10:25, that discuss consciously continuing in sin once we have a full understanding of God’s truth. This is where I think we hit the problem on the head.
The word I heard over and over yesterday in the responses that I got to my question was “judgement”. And yesterday wasn’t the first time I’ve heard this. Friends let me tell you, Christians and those who have yet to come to know God both often face judgement or feel as though they are being judged when they go to church. And I can’t disagree with them. I know I’ve felt it, I’ve been the recipient of it and if I’m being completely honest with you I have also been the one passing judgement. Shock, horror, gasp. I know. But you know you have too. We have all looked down our ugly noses of judgement on someone else in the church. Why? Because we are people, we are human. That is why God gave us clear instructions to let HIM alone be the judge. Matthew 7:1-2 couldn’t say it more plainly, “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
Let me put it into perspective a little clearer for you. Maybe you’re thinking that you’re the one being judged and that you haven’t judged anyone. And maybe you are being judged, it’s highly likely, like I said, the church is full of people, imperfect human people. But here’s deal, if you are feeling judged, you are probably judging back, and if you are judging someone, you are probably being judged back. Judging and being judged go hand in hand. For instance (and this is strictly hypathetical) a young woman walks into a church with her child, no father in the picture and she is looked at by an older women as they walk through the lobby of the church. The are no “hellos” exchanged, no smiles. The only thing they have in common at this point? Judgement, or the fear of it. The young women sees the older women looking at her and she instantly feels judged because of her situation. The older women may be judging, or maybe she just is taking in the situation. She’s old, her eyesight is fading, her responses have slowed through the years. She isn’t quick to hold out her hand or say hello, but it doesn’t mean she doesn’t care. She’s tired. She feels the young women think that she is judging her and continues on walking because what is she going to do about it? She doesn’t even know her. Scenario two: you have been going to church your whole life. You know the bible, you love God, you go to church weekly. But in your opinion (and it may or may not be true) the church is failing in it’s duty to love the poor and needy, to care for the widows and orphans. So you judge. You judge all of those in the church who are failing to do what Christians are called to do. But in your judgement, are you not also failing to do what Christians are called to do? I could keep going all day long with hypothetical scenarios but the point is we’re probably all been the recipient of judgement and we’ve probably also as some point been the issuer of judgement. Remember what Hebrews 10:24-25 said, “And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.” Encouragement, not judgement. Judgement is reserved for one and One alone, God, the King of Kings, who alone can see into the hearts of men and women, who alone knows our thoughts and our motives, our histories and our current situations and our future. God alone has the ability to judge because God alone is perfect.
That brings me to my next point. When we decide to pass judgement it is often out of past or present hurt, our own insecurity, lack of understanding and/or fear. For instance, yesterday when I posted the question one of the responses that I got I almost instantly took offense to. I had to read it again, take it in and take a step back. The response was from a dear friend of mine and read like this:
Do not forsake the gathering together….what does that mean to you.
I knew that the question I had posted offended her in some way and in reading her response I quickly jumped on the defensive. Perhaps she thought I was challenging the validity of the church, I’m not sure, but I responded to her letting her know that my intent was purely to hear people’s thoughts on church. What she replied back brought me to tears. “Because of health I have felt empty and alone”. Perspective. In reading that sentence I instantly gained a whole new perspective to her response, her comment, her situation. My initial response to get defensive to her first comment was an emotional reaction, based on feeling, not fact. But in reading the reason behind her first comment through her second response I gained correct perspective. You see this friend of mine is older and has cancer. She has been home sick recovering from a recent bout of pneumonia. She is a widow and is home alone. My question hurt her and so her initial response was out of hurt and loneliness. She understands church as a family far better than most of us ever will. To her church is more than a gathering of people once a week, it is truly her family and when she is unable to meet with her family she feels lonely. Why can’t we all long to come together as a church family as my dear friend longs for it. We make excuses, we come up with our own “versions” of church, perhaps because we have been hurt by a church or by people in a church (and if you haven’t been hurt yet, trust me, it’s only a matter of time, churches are full of imperfect people, remember?), perhaps because you feel like church just takes up time, or perhaps you have never experienced church. But if we all experienced church like my friend does, as a family coming together to love one another, care for one another, pick each other up when we are down, to rally around each other when we are hurting, to take each other to the doctors when we can’t drive because of the chemo, to gather around each other and pray when we are sick, to love each other, I’m pretty sure we’d all be running to church as often as we possibly could.
Friend, that is what church is meant to be. Church is meant to be family. All families are made up of a crazy mix of people. There’s the aunt who won’t stop pinching your cheeks even though you’re in your 30’s, the crazy uncle, the grandma who never stops fussing over the meal even though everyone is going to devour it no matter what, the grandfather who has more stories to share than ears that will listen, the cousins running around causing all kind of chaos, the brothers and sisters bickering and then hugging and then bickering and then hugging again, the mother and fathers leading, disciplining and loving. We are meant to be like a family, load and chaotic, but full of love, appreciation, encouragement, laughter, praise, discipline, tears, joy, hurt, victory. We are meant to love and encourage each other. All of us. That doesn’t mean that we will all be exactly the same. Families are made up of different people, just as the body of Christ is made up of many parts. We all have a place. It’s when the arm (we’re talking about the church as the body of Christ now if you didn’t catch that) starts looking at the leg and telling it to look more like an arm that we have a problem. I don’t want to be part of a four armed no-legged body, do you?
Now there’s one other thing that I want to address. More than one person mentioned in their response to my questions that the church is meant to be a hospital for the sick, or something along those lines. The church should be full of hurt, sick, and broken people, BUT (and this is a big one) is should also be full of healed and healthy people, mature Christians. Hospitals is a place where healing happens (or is meant to). If churches are only full of the sick and broken, the lost and hurting, then who is going to help them be healed? Who is going to guide them to health? When we accept Christ into our lives we then have the responsibility to allow Him to continually change us to be more like Him. Take all of the letters in the Bible for example, Romans, the Corinthians, Galations, Ephesians, Phillippians, Colossians, the Thessalonians, the Timothy’s, they were written giving instructions to specific churches. These letters brought encouragement but also addressed issues of sin in many of the churches that needed to be addressed. Once we have given our lives to Christ and made Him Lord of our life, we cannot continue to live as we did before we were Christ followers. Christ is not broken, He is whole and perfect. We must allow Him to change us to be more like Him daily. We cannot expect to ask God into our lives and then lives exactly as we please, that’s not how it works. Our church buildings should be full of people seeking healing, love, forgiveness, acceptance, but they also must be full of people pouring out love, extending grace, accepting everyone with open arms of love. If the church is doing it’s job, to reach the lost and make disciples, the hurt and broken shouldn’t stay hurt and broken, they should become the healed and restored through the grace and power of God.
I know this is a lot to take in, and I’m not an expert in church theology, I’m not claiming to be, but I do know that the Word of God is clear on how we are to act as Christians. Love. So whether you have gone to church your entire life or whether you have never graced the doors of a church, let me leave you with this, The Church is Full Of. . .broken people, restored people, hurting people, healed people, skeptical people, faithful people, God’s love, grace and forgiveness. The Church Is Full of God’s love, grace and forgiveness. Maybe you’ve never gone to church, why not give it a try! Who doesn’t want to be part of a big crazy family?! Or maybe you left the church a long time ago because you were hurt, why don’t you consider going back? Pray about it, truly, ask God what He would have you do, He established the church, remember? If He created it it probably has a purpose. And if you one of those who goes to church every time the doors are open, awesome! Let me encourage you to make sure that you are the love, grace and forgiveness that everyone who comes through those doors, or encounters on the street or in the grocery store or in the office cubicle or school hallways encounters!
I want to leave you with one of my very favorite passages of scripture. It paints a beautiful picture of what the church is meant to look like:
3 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your[a] life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of Godis coming.[b] 7 You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. 8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11 Here there is no Gentile or Jew,circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.
12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility,gentleness and patience. 13 Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. 14 And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
15 Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body you were called to peace. And be thankful. 16 Let the message of Christ dwell among you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom through psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit, singing to God with gratitude in your hearts. 17 And whatever you do,whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.
Colossians 3:3-17