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In stories that I hope are going to spread around the blogosphere, and break in the media rather more extensively than they already have, and start a real debate on the use of this kind of tactics, this one is wonderful.

Within activist circles, people have been pretty much certain since Quebec City at least that at least a substantial number of the truly violent protesters who "mar" demonstrations are in fact undercover police provocateurs, based on a number of factors -- the fact that nobody ever knows who they are, that often people who have been seen instigating violent acts never have charges pressed against them, and that nebulous feel that can never quite be substantiated.

But at Montebello, they screwed up. Showing up at a peaceful union protest line with rocks, some of these goons were confronted by Dave Coles, president of the Communications, Energy, and Paperworkers Union, who insisted that this was a peaceful protest and they should leave. When they kept trying to push through to attack the cops, some actual anarchists showed up, saying that they recognized these people, and that they were police agents, at which point Coles started to question them, asking them to take off their masks for photos. Their reactions throughout this, all captured on video, are - to put it mildly - not what I would expect from any of the Black Bloc types I know. Finally, after chatting for a bit with the riot cops, they "charge" the police lines, and are promptly arrested -- but, as the CP stories linked at the top point out, no charges are laid against any of them.



But where it becomes truly, hilariously fishy is in the wonderful photos that my colleague Sebastien managed to take of them being arrested by the police, some of which have already started floating around the Internet. It's actually a little less clear in the version I've seen online than in the originals, but still visible -- the "protesters" being arrested are wearing (all three of them) exactly the same issue boots that the "police" arresting them are wearing; they've simply throwing some duct tape on them to make them look "anarchist chic." Particularly noticeable are the yellow triangles of the ANSI certification on all of the boots.

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Edit: There's a really nice photo with zooming in that shows the identical sole patterns on the boots.

Coles and the CEP are holding a press conference this afternoon, and I'm really hoping that this becomes the story -- a state so afraid of legitimate, peaceful dissent that they will initiate violence that can be used to justify repression. So if there's anywhere on the Net that any of you can help spread this story to -- and it's already moving fairly quickly -- I'd deeply appreciate it.

Date: 2007-08-22 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milk-an-honey.livejournal.com
Deeply disturbing.

Date: 2007-08-22 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auriaephiala.livejournal.com
CBC story on this at http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/22/ot-police-070822.html?ref=rss

It's also interesting that "Montebello's mayor praised both police and protesters after hundreds of officers and more than a thousand activists descended on the Quebec town for a summit by the three North American leaders — without a single report of damage." (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/08/22/montebello-after.html?ref=rss).

It sure sounds like incitement to me.

Date: 2007-08-22 05:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] beable

Posted to my blog.

Date: 2007-08-22 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mynameisnotreal.livejournal.com
Posted in my journal.

Date: 2007-08-22 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jon787.livejournal.com
I've been sending this around, but im curious what brand of boots those are. Obviously they are nice enough the police are willing to blow their own cover by wearing them undercover. Where can I get some?

Date: 2007-08-22 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ironphoenix.livejournal.com
From military experience, when one finds a pair of combat or work boots that fit, they become one's dearest possessions.

(Posted to my lj before I read it here!)

Date: 2007-08-23 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] photodharma.livejournal.com
Their calle LPCs soldier.
(Leather Personnel Carriers.

Date: 2007-08-22 11:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] iclysdale.livejournal.com
From the look of them, they're some kind of boots equipped with Vibram Sole Model #134AR, whose primary uses as listed include military and police.

Date: 2007-08-23 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horsetraveller.livejournal.com
I listened to the interview on CBC1 this evening, and then I told my parents about it. That's me spreading the word. :)

Date: 2007-08-23 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ami-b.livejournal.com
Nice that CBC picked this up; bet people will pay a lot more attention than if it had just been a rumour floating around teh internets.

Date: 2007-08-23 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jeffreyab.livejournal.com
Cross posted by me too.

Date: 2007-08-23 03:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] mikepictor.livejournal.com
Having watched the video...they were totally and purely trying to start something.

Disgusting.

Date: 2007-08-23 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flintultrasparc.livejournal.com
Duct taped shin guard? Such bad fashion sense too.

Am I paranoid or what?!

Date: 2007-08-23 03:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gaelica-rm.livejournal.com
Actually, the question should be, am I paranoid enough. Apparently so, because I am shocked and dismayed, but not surprised. Except maybe by how clumsy the impersonation was, I mean... wearing your work boots?!
I feel good to be canning the garden produce this summer, we may need it.

Date: 2007-08-23 04:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Montebello%20police&w=13291357%40N00

Date: 2007-08-23 04:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] iclysdale.livejournal.com
That's awesome! riotplz kthxbai!

Date: 2007-08-23 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girl-next-dork.livejournal.com
Posted in my journal too.

Blegh!

Date: 2007-08-23 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buttongirl.livejournal.com
According to the CBC: The SQ have now admitted they were thier guys, but that the weren't "agents provocateurs" (or however you spell it!). Yeah, right....

Date: 2007-08-23 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
"Rock? What rock? I'm not holding a rock. ... Oh, you mean this rock. Um. How did that get there?!"

I wonder if that conspicuously weird green paint on the guy's shoes was a recognition signal.

The boots gave it away

Date: 2007-08-24 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horsetraveller.livejournal.com
"I'm holding the rock to *prevent* violence from breaking out."


Police said the three were told to monitor protesters who were not peacefully demonstrating to prevent any violent incidents, but they were called out as undercover agents when they refused to throw objects.

Ha ha.


(I guess next time they'll make sure to wear different boots.)


Re: The boots gave it away

Date: 2007-08-24 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
... but they [i.e., the police] were called out as undercover agents when they [i.e., the real protesters] refused to throw objects [i.e., as the undercover agents had been urging them to do].

Re: The boots gave it away

Date: 2007-08-24 06:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] horsetraveller.livejournal.com
Oh I see...

I wondered how they were going to stick with their story given that it blatantly conflicted with the videotape that anyone can look up on the internet.

Re: The boots gave it away

Date: 2007-09-04 11:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nenya_kanadka
"Who ya gonna believe, us or your lying eyes?"

Date: 2007-08-24 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
Ah. According to the SQ's press conference this afternoon:

"The protesters made me take the rock."

<*Sigh*>

Date: 2007-08-24 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/08/23/police-montebello.html

Date: 2007-08-25 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] braddotcom.livejournal.com
Not surprising at all, it's an old tactic. And very disturbing.

Congrats, your post is on http://cryptome.org/!

Pro-Peace

Date: 2007-08-26 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Peace will Expose the Beast for what it is, a
"Cruel and Unusual Creature", Final Solution again ?

Funny old world

Date: 2007-08-26 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I never seen this site before and the debate / furore in Canada over SPP has not been reported in the UK.

Looking at the video film and the apparently small number of genuine protestors, why were the Canadian police already in riot control kit? Has there been a history of violence at SPP protests, or is it displaying such equipment that deters / prevents disorder?

Then you see on the video many genuine and young protestors wearing masks. If this was a peaceful protest why wear a mask? In Germany it is an offence to wear a mask at a protest and is widely acknowledged as a sign of trouble ahead.

The police attempt at protest escalation is weird, who authorised this?

From a copper in the UK.

mexico

Date: 2007-08-28 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tlaquachito.livejournal.com
this same tactic was famously used by the falcons: a paramilitary
secret group in mexico during the 68 student protests that resulted
in the famously covered up tlatelolco massacre.
the idiots can't even come up with something original..

i dont think they had the money for the same brand boots back then..

The Boots

Date: 2007-08-30 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
They may in reality be police plants to incite riots but the boots just don't prove anything. The "yellow triangle" you refer to is a trademark symbol for Vibram, a style os shoe/boot sole lug pattern.

Do your homework !

Re: The Boots

Date: 2007-08-31 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunsen-h.livejournal.com
Homework?

As cited several times above, the police eventually admitted that the three were undercover officers. After initially denying it.

Reading comprehension much?

(No, the boots didn't prove anything, but it was implausible that all three random unknown violence-inciting "protesters" would just happen to have exactly the same boot type as the police...)

Re: The Boots

Date: 2007-09-04 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antonia-tiger.livejournal.com
The odds are a bit long, but government-surplus sales can shorten them.

Since the overt Police are in uniform, it's a fair bet that they're wearing the same design of boot, and you can build up a composite picture of the identifying features. It's not just details of the soles: for instance, is there something about the way the Police lace their boots?

The line between being undercover and provoking is often uncertain. In the UK, there have been cases where relatively young cops were picked to infiltrate gangs of football hooligans--they had to be young to match the thugs--and their lack of experience ruined several cases because of possible incitement.


Re: The Boots

Date: 2007-09-07 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
exactly

Date: 2007-09-03 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lexin.livejournal.com
Posted to [livejournal.com profile] tradeunion_uk. Thanks for the heads up on this.

Date: 2007-09-21 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fengi.livejournal.com
I heard about this while I was in Toronto. While I'm utterly disturbed such tactics have seeped in from America's ugly history, I'm heartened that when that in Canada activists are canny enough to call them on it.

I add you to my reading list (I loathe the word friends).

Too Obvious

Date: 2007-10-08 01:22 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Look at the masked guy in the background from around 3:55 to 3:35. It looks like he keeps leaning over to have a nice chat with the cops in riot gear. He actually puts his hand on the riot shield and leans behind it. No cop in the world would allow a real protester to touch any part of them without immediately beating the crap out of them. Can these idiots be any more obvious?

Date: 2008-09-03 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pecunium.livejournal.com
I used this to make a point about the situation in St. Paul right now, for the Republican National Convention.

TK

Date: 2008-09-03 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] radarlove.livejournal.com
Heh...people (like me) are still linking to this post over a year later.

The events in the Twin Cities sort of beg the reference, though.

Date: 2008-09-04 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hey I posted this link at imageyenation.com

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