TV Drama Producer/ Writer/Trainer
Yvonne Grace joins Euro Scriptchat to talk about Structure, Storylines and finding out is an idea will work as a series.
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@vickyhinault hello
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Sally Abbott@SallyAbbott3@teenierussell @yvonnegrace1 Hello-ha!
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 what makes good structure?
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Vicky Hinault@vickyhinault@teenierussell @YVONNEGRACE1 What is the key thing to look for in script readers experience to find a genuinely good one?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@antonsays evening all
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@SallyAbbott3 @teenierussell come in, there's room!
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Michelle Goode@Sofluid#scriptchat *waves*
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Taro@TaroJHi
@YVONNEGRACE1 so how do you you know if your idea is better suited to TV than feature
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@vickyhinault @teenierussell I assume you mean someone you want to assess your work? Experience is key
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowartHi everyone!
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Sofluid waving back
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Angela Jobson@jobbbo#scriptchat Hello everyone.
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@TaroJ if your idea is best told in more than one part
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@ClaireYeowart welcome!
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 what defines good structure?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@jobbbo hello :)
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Rosie Claverton@rosieclaverton@YVONNEGRACE1 What questions do you ask of a series idea to see if it's got legs?
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Amanda Kane@amandakane88#scriptchat I'm writing my very first short film - any advice for an aspiring writer?
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Sharita@14ShariHave we started yet?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@rosieclaverton is there enuf material for more than 1 char? are there more than 3 beats to each storyline? can you crossover?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@rosieclaverton by crossover I mean interconnect with other storylines
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Rosie Claverton@rosieclaverton@yvonnegrace1 Thanks! Good starters to mull over!
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriterHi all
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 beat is a sequence of scenes, I take it?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari trying to ans this in 140! if the script has a natural 'shape' this means the structure is solid if it has
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@robinbellwriter hello sir
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell#scriptchat “@2weddings:
@teenierussell @YVONNEGRACE1 any examples online of TV series bibles?”
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@TaroJ also, a commerciality is important in tv so the story needs to resonate to a wide audience
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 For a tv pilot series, do u have to know the story arc for the first two seasons?
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter@YVONNEGRACE1 I find 3 page brief treatments for TV series work for me. What could I explore with longer treatments
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell @2weddings I am wracking my brain - can't think of any - I will do a blog on the subject if it helps!
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Jane Harrison@euripideanOoh, I'm online for
#scriptchat for once! Hello, all!
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 what is your process in developing a tv series? how do you start and take off from there?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari no, you should know what happens in the first season; an outline of general arcs for the first is sufficient
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Gary Thomas@2weddings@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell yes please! :)
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@robinbellwriter character arcs across the series as a whole; episode outlines of two eps, more back story
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@euripidean hello there!
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 What are the biggest mistakes you see from TV spec scripts?
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robinbellwriter@robinbellwriter@YVONNEGRACE1 would love to immerse in a big expansive series bible. Maybe indulgent but think my next project demands it
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari with a very strong treatment, then an episode outline plus storylines for at least 4 subsequent eps
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Jane Harrison@euripidean@teenierussell @YVONNEGRACE1 Couldn't fit my
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Michelle Goode@Sofluid#scriptchat Most TV scripts; one-offs or series, can only ever be a calling card. What would you recommend writers have in their portfolio?
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Angela Jobson@jobbbo@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell @2weddings That would be very useful indeed, its an area that there isn't much info about
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@euripidean don't forget the
#scriptchat so everyone can join in. Great question!
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Fluid Eye Films@fluideyefilms@YVONNEGRACE1 wave
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@robinbellwriter be careful. do if for yourself. if you are pitching it to a prod don't add the bible until they ask
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Gary Thomas@2weddings@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell also, would u need a series bible for something u know will only be 3 episodes?
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 what has to be in the treatment besides the main characters and their story arc? What makes a good treatment?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell a script that is best told as a single. Not enough material, not enough subtext to balance the text
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@2weddings @teenierussell no, you don't need a bible for this length a strong treatment; ep 1 outline, plus storylines
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 Could the lack of material sometimes be fixed by adding a B Storyline?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari a treatment is a selling doc+a means for you to clarify the world, the chars, the narrative throughline+the tone
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari a good treatment has all of those things - have a look@my blog, (after!) I bang on about treatments a fair bit!
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Teenie Russell@teenierussellWe're half-way through Euro
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@YVONNEGRACE1 Join us with your questions as we explore if your TV idea has legs!
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell @euripidean yes, you could need more story or poss you are not looking for as many beats as there actually are
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowart@YVONNEGRACE1 instead of writing lots of specs, should writers focus more on 1 page pitches/ treatments to sell?
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write@jobbbo @YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell @2weddings there are loads online, in The TV section of the B2W bit.ly bundles
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell you need an A a B and a C at least to get a good tv ep going and this will ensure more material for further eps
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 can you explain the difference between a beat and a scene? A beat is a sequence of scenes?
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Rosie Claverton@rosieclaverton@YVONNEGRACE1 Do you have any tips for developing supporting characters beyond archetypes?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@ClaireYeowart writers should be writing those aswell as scripts - get good at selling your idea in short, succinct ways
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Jane Harrison@euripidean@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell Cheers! Think I always tend to think of ep 1 as beginning, 2, middle and 3 end!
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Gary Thomas@2weddings@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell bit.ly/16gW3a8 ooh I found this ages back & forgot about it! V useful from
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Bang2write @jobbbo @teenierussell @2weddings thanks lucy - coming to the rescue!
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2writeHere's the TV Writing & Series Bible section of The Reqd Reading List
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@jobbbo @teenierussell @2weddings definitely going to write a blog about tv bibles next!
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@2weddings @teenierussell @mikejonestv ah well done Gary, I have that one on my website - it's a corker
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2writeLee's site is best -- TV Writing - directory of TV Scripts & Series Bibles
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell @euripidean I'd look at the characters and ask what other stories they might get involved in
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 I usually write ep1 and a small paragraph with what happens in eps2-6 Should I be writing much more for other eps?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Bang2write @teenierussell I want to stress about bibles tho, its more imp in tv to do a great treatment than a bible
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@euripidean @YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell Yeah, a 3-parter is like a long film, I think. More like a film than a returning series
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell can you talk us thru the treatment: what's in it, exactly?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell no, in your treatment, a small para is sufficient for further eps. Prods need to feel their input is vital
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 Is there a demand for 3-parters?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell if you over present in your treatment, a prod will feel you've gone too far w/o their aid
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Jane Harrison@euripidean@teenierussell @YVONNEGRACE1 @EddieRobson God, I hope so!
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 can explain the difference between a beat and a scene? or is it the same?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell @EddieRobson looking at current output, the serial (4/6 parter) is fave 3 parters are hard cos they're limited
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 a parter is an episode?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari a beat is a moment in the time of the storyline. a scene will have perhaps 5/6 beats pushing the sline forward
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 How about Soaps, how do they differ in structure to TV Drama?
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell Limited how? I'm interested as I'm trying to break the story for a 3-parter now.
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell I know there are more 4-6 parters around but I don't think it'll stretch further.
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Debbie Moon@DebbieBMoon@YVONNEGRACE1 @14Shari hmm, seems we have different definitions here :)
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Wallace Brown@NamingJasonC@YVONNEGRACE1 #scriptchat. Just woken up. Recovering from the tennis. Hey all. Cld u give an example of when yopu say, "over presenting".
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Bang2write @teenierussell up to 8 pgs, title, logline, para setting out 'the world' char biog plus storyline arc over ep1
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Roland Moore@RolandMooreTV@YVONNEGRACE1 Hi Yvonne, where do you stand on using photos in character breakdowns? I've seen it a lot recently.
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Taro@TaroJIn the UK what is more useful a spec script or a spec version of an existing show i.e Doctors for BBC
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Sharita@14Shari@DebbieBMoon thats why I asked
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Bang2write @teenierussell and sugg of further storylines for other eps o+say how many eps too; format
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Jacob Krueger Studio@jacobkruegerStructure actually happens on two levels.
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Taro@TaroJ@NamingJasonC @YVONNEGRACE1 example of over presenting? Boris Becker on the tennis :-)
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@RolandMooreTV hi sir, I wouldn't - but if you have an actor in mind, sugg them in the treatment
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell That's interesting as I'm usually afraid of presenting something that looks half-arsed.
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@TaroJ tricky both really depends on what the prod is looking for specs are better in my view for getting a sense of the talent
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@TaroJ Everyone I've met says spec script. Don't pitch eps of existing shows, they all have their own process for development
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 how do you come up with ideas? tricks to find fresh pov?
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Rosie Claverton@rosieclaverton@YVONNEGRACE1 Do certain genres lend themselves to specific season lengths? e.g. 13x45 scifi v 8x60 crime
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Jim@jimmytwizThink I got the beginning and the end just need to beef up the B story a bit.
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@NamingJasonC giving too much information on story for eg 'he does this then she does that' it's dull+not nec broad strokes pls
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Taro@TaroJ@EddieRobson that's what I thought, I've heard it quite common in the US
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Roland Moore@RolandMooreTV@YVONNEGRACE1 Great,thanks. Seen that done along the lines of "Timothy Spall?" in the chr biog
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell they have more storylines, more characters, more interlocking slines per ep
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell interesting cos I've heard that described as a bible as well as a treatment :)
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 what services do you offer to screenwriters?
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 Is there an ideal number of characters for Drama?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@EddieRobson @teenierussell in terms of the territory you can explore+the depth you can go - your idea may suit a 3 part
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Eddie Robson@EddieRobson@TaroJ Yeah, I gather that's how they do things there. Don't think they'd take a pilot script by a new writer seriously
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@14Shari check me out here
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Sharita@14Shari@YVONNEGRACE1 thank you very much for answering our questions. Great chat !
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Bang2write @teenierussell no, in my world that is a treatment a bible is a much more detailed doc EE bible wd break yr toe
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Claire Yeowart@ClaireYeowartThanks
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@Bang2write @teenierussell if you dropped it obv
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write@RolandMooreTV @YVONNEGRACE1 yes I've noticed that recently; noise IMHO
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell again, depends on format. I would say odd numbers are better than even+no more than 7 if a serial
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Taro@TaroJThanks
@YVONNEGRACE1 and everyone else, next week we have an open topic so hopefully see you all then
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Lucy V Hay@Bang2write@YVONNEGRACE1 @teenierussell lol, I get that - I always recommend accompanying "pitch material" for spec pilots 4-10 pgs only
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell but of course, depends again on the storyline ensemble pieces usually have 4/6/8/ or 3/5/9
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Teenie Russell@teenierussell@YVONNEGRACE1 never thought about odd numbers but I can picture that.
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Scott Myers@GoIntoTheStory6-part interview series: Screenwriter Arash Amel ("Grace of Monaco")
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@ClaireYeowart that was quick - hope I was helpful
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Teenie Russell@teenierussellThank you
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Richard Cosgrove@rcosgrove@YVONNEGRACE1 Does a TV bible hold char histories, continuity + world rules, writer does and don'ts?
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@TaroJ fastest hour I've ever spent! thanks for having me
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@teenierussell you are welcome - I had a lovely time!
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YVONNE GRACE@YVONNEGRACE1@rcosgrove @Bang2write @teenierussell yes, it is much more of a 'branding' document for that partic show
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