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implicated2 ([personal profile] implicated2) wrote2019-01-11 08:32 am
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Mental models for how (my) asexuality and kink intersect

One of my wishlist items was more discussion about the intersections of asexuality and kink, and I thought I'd sketch out a few ways of thinking about those intersections that have been helpful for me so far.

1) Many kinds of erotic attraction

The ace community has a lot of helpful language around teasing apart different kinds of attraction--aesthetic attraction is not always romantic attraction is not always sexual attraction, etc. If you're not familiar with the split attraction model, I found this article a useful introduction.

What I haven't heard talked about is that there are also different kinds of erotic attraction, that one might, for instance, be drawn to do kink with someone but not to have sex with them, or to do one kind of kink and not another. (And in fact, if you recognize that there is more than one kind of kink, then you already understand that different kinds of erotic desire exist.) 

My kinkiness feels fundamentally asexual in that I have very little desire for sex qua sex, and that who I can and will partner with is heavily informed by that lack of desire (though it is perhaps equally informed by the presence of a different kind of desire). But there are also a lot of ace-community things that don't apply to me, like the idea that being erotically attracted to someone is this mysterious, comically unknowable, bizarrely important thing that other people experience and we don't. I do experience erotic attraction, it's just not about sex.

2) Decentering sex

Before I realized that sex was not the center of the erotic universe, I thought that my being kinky meant I only liked kinky sex. In other words, I thought the erotic universe consisted only of sex, of which some subset was kinky sex, and that small subset was where my interests lay. And then I had my first nonsexual kink partnership and discovered that kinky sex was also only a small subset of kink and that I was very happy and often relieved to explore kinky things that had nothing to do with sex at all.

3) Whole and Irreducible

What's it about, if it's not about sex, I remember someone asking me once about nonsexual kink. Is it the adrenaline? I remember finding the question confusing and not knowing how to answer. But what I'd say now is that what's it about is the wrong question. What is sex about? What is the color blue about? Some things aren't especially reducible to component parts.

(Though, incidentally, what's it about is a question I do find myself asking about power-neutral sex. I can get into sex if it's fundamentally about power dynamics--and if it doesn't involve any activities on my ( *unfurls comically long scroll; its end rolls down a corridor and around several corners* ) DNW list--but I don't have an intuitive sense of why sex without a power dynamic is a thing people do, the way I intuitively get power exchange.)


This is fairly lightly sketched, and my thinking is continually evolving (I've identified as kinky for something like 13 years, but thinking of asexuality as part of that identity is much more recent). I'm curious if any of this resonates with others, either as something you've experienced, or something you've read about or observed, or something you've noticed about me. I'm also interested to know if there's any part of this topic you'd like to hear more about. I plan to keep exploring it here, so questions/comments/prompts are very welcome.
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[personal profile] pauraque 2019-01-11 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
This is a topic I feel a lot of confusion about, and have for a long time. I've been around asexual people for... well, all my life, actually, since my mom identified as asexual, though I didn't know that until I was a teenager and it wasn't something we really talked about. But I've also had ace friends for many years and often found that some of the feelings and experiences they shared resonated deeply with me. Yet I've had a lot of difficulty trying to figure out how that relates to the other major dimensions of my sexuality (i.e. being bi, being trans, being kinky) and it quickly starts to seem like a hopeless tangle of interactions and interdependencies.

When you talk about decentering sex, I feel like I'm already a little lost because in the context of my life experience where for a long time the kind of sex my peers were having was totally inaccessible to me because of (or maybe, as it turns out, not entirely because of??) gender dysphoria, but kink was something I could wholeheartedly embrace... I am not even sure how I define sex. What is kink vs. what is kinky sex? Help, I don't know! I think one of the things I'm struggling with is the fact that sex is often considered the/a defining aspect of a long-term partnership, so I feel a certain pressure to define whatever is happening in that kind of partnership as being sex, even if it might not be defined that way by others.

Stepping back for a second — there is a sense in which my identification as sexual or asexual or somewhere in between doesn't "matter", because I'm already in a partnership where we do Stuff We Like, and how to define it beyond that is not a pressing issue between us. But on another level, I have a strong drive to understand myself, who I am, where I've been, where I'm going, and why. Which is why these questions don't go away for me even when it's likely nothing will fundamentally change no matter how I answer them.
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[personal profile] shadaras 2019-01-11 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I find the split-attraction model fascinating and sometimes useful, and your addition of the idea of erotic attraction is interesting — especially in the context of kink. That's about the only kind of erotic attraction I think I feel outside of relationships (hi I'm hella demi), and I hadn't really gotten around to figuring out a word for it.

"What's it about?" is such a fun question to try and answer, too. Like. It feels good? Do you need more specificity than that? (People don't ask it about sex much, and I think it's at least as weird and confusing a question there.)