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Very interesting post at the link below, and one of the most thought-provoking reactions to Little Mosque on the Prairie that I've seen so far....

hxxp://alaynesthoughts.blogspot.com/2007/01/strange-story-amazing-fallacies.html

Is it wrong that I keep sort of identifying with Islam just because it's so misunderstood and misrepresented? I mean, back when I was straight-up trying to be a practicing Muslim I always found it so tiring to have to address accusations from bigots all the time, and it contributed in a huge way to my falling back from doing all of that.

But nowadays I see people say ignorant things and I'm like "RARRR I'm an example of the myriad ways in which that is SO NOT TRUE!" Like I think of it in the present tense. Which is crazy, since I handwave away most of what annoys me about Islam anyway, lol, so I could in no universe be considered a good Muslim.

Anyhoo. Interesting link.

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Date: 2007-01-25 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layla1188.livejournal.com
Hmmm. Well, to me, anyway, I just don't see it as my place to defend stuff I don't believe in or think is ridiculous (the stuff about women in Islam, for example)--in fact, I'm more likely to totally disarm the complainer by agreeing with them on part of what they're complaining about! I think that one problem is that a lot of Muslims feel the need to defend EVERYTHING about Islam, that it's perfect, anything unpleasant is "not real Islam," etc. (perhaps the way that some ultra-pious Catholics will defend the Inquisition or the Index of Prohibited Books), but to me that kind of blind defense just drives me away from the subject. I think it's much more relate-able if people can own up to the fact that they don't like/don't approve of EVERYTHING in their belief system (or whatever) and can say so...otherwise you tend to get "Whitewash City" and the feeling that they're being dishonest just for purposes of defending the subject's honor. Who would you rather talk to, an American who defends EVERYTHING American, or an American who can own up to mistakes made by America?

I dunno...that's just MY opinion, anyway. Besides, you know what they say about denial--it just means that any reform/change will be that much harder, as you've spent all this effort claiming that it doesn't exist/doesn't need changing.

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Date: 2007-01-25 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randominity.livejournal.com
Yeah... I don't know. I have a hard time being fully objective about this because I very much relate to the public perception of Muslims as a black woman. I'm used to people thinking "my people" are inherently violent, that our culture is inclined to such behavior, that the way to "deal" with us is to "assimilate" us into "white" culture, etc. etc. so I suspect that part of my knee-jerk reaction to anti-Muslim rhetoric is an emotional response to that pigeon-holing. I most certainly don't propose to make excuses for, or deny the fact that the Qur'an does contain violent punishments for various crimes, explicit and disturbing instructions for war, "permission" to "beat" disobedient wives, etc. and we won't even get into the lovely descriptions of hellfire, yeah? ;) but I also think Amina Wadud touched on something when she said that sometimes we have to say "no" to the Qur'an, to look at the larger picture of the society the Qur'an is supposed to support and see whether this law or that law fits the bill.

OF COURSE all of this is said knowing that extremist, fundamentalist, and even a majority of mainstream Muslims would object to this approach! But to be completely honest, I've always tended to side with the voices on the fringe anyway. If I wanted to listen to a particular Muslim voice I'd probably go to the Sufies, or the Lahori Ahmadi Muslims, who outlawed physical jihad, or the Ismaili Shi'ites. I'm just not really concerned with whether they're considered "real" Muslims by the mainstream. If anything I think that non-Muslims who are worried about the future of Islam should support these groups so that they can increase their influence! If Warith Deen Muhammed could reform his group of black Muslims away from the Nation of Islam into moderates, then why not other groups?

So yeah, when people get to talking about what Islam is or isn't, I'm that contrary person who will ask "WHICH Islam?" and bring up every example of every group I can think of. I'm not interested in letting the loudmouths speaking on Saudi Arabia's dime speak for me anymore than I'm willing to let Louis Farrakhan speak for me :P.

That said, I can't really consider myself a Muslim because although I have a huge affinity for Muhammed and the overall philosophy of the Qur'an, there's too much in there that I feel I have to say "no" to :P. I'm terrible with following rules, ahaha.

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Date: 2007-01-26 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] layla1188.livejournal.com
Hey, I know an Isma'ili Muslim...or rather, he WAS one before deciding that he didn't believe in Islam and came out as gay, though he actually lives in the Middle East. :-P Though it should be noted there's about 5 different major Isma'ili sects, and then there's the Zaydi and "regular" Twelver Shi'ite sects...argh.

I think that reform of your religion is MUCH easier when you're a minority and so the "traditional" religion does not have the social and even legal authority to put down "heretics" and the like--hence, why reformist voices are found primarily in non-Muslim countries where the clerics have NO legal authority or very much social prestige--many Western Muslims simply do as they please and call it Islam. :-P Also, as the religion has not fossilized into centuries of tradition, you may be able to think of/about it in different ways. Of course, none of that is for much good if the traditionalists take over the community and silence all dissenting views, alas, or if fanatics simply threaten death to all who fail to be "sufficiently Muslim" for their tastes...reformists, even in the West, often have to fear for their lives. :-/

Ha, I don't like rules, either (in case you hadn't noticed, ha ha ha)!

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