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I've been giving this subject a lot of thought recently, not only because I've been trying to answer some very good questions about why I slash and what I slash and why I slash what I slash, etc. etc. I've been thinking about how many slashers say they do so because there is such a lack of strong and/or interesting female characters to pair with the overabundance of strong, interesting male characters.

But then there's Battlestar Galactica (among other shows and series I don't watch or know about). In BSG we have Lt. Kara Thrace, the formerly male Starbuck, who is both a strong and an interesting character.

Yet I still don't want to read Starbuck/Apollo fanfic. Why?

I've been trying to figure it out, and as I was sitting here at my desk the thought popped into my head: Because I don't want her to turn into a girl.



By this I mean I don't want her to turn into the sort of stereotypical romance type of girl. Starbuck's great when she's slugging her superiors or smoking cigars or piloting Cylon Raiders, sure. But in bed she's all, "Lee, oh, Lee," and I'm like who are you? I know she was with Baltar at the time, but even with Zach I was disappointed, I guess, that she wasn't more... toppish. I like her sparring with Lee, the back-and-forth, and her always fighting for the upper hand, and I'd much rather see her carry that into the bedroom with her than to, well, see her be the girl. I mean, Six? Six is not the girl.

Oh, I dunno. Maybe I just like the buttsex too much. :P

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Date: 2005-06-09 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sofiaaifos.livejournal.com
I have been thinking about the same thing. I usually explain my interest in slash with a simple "the more cocks the merrier" and even if that's part of the appeal, it's not the whole truth. I don't even sure I know the whole truth, but I think that it has a lot to do with identification. When I read het I feel forced to identify with the female, even if I don't even like the female character.

Slash on the other hand gives me more freedom to identify with any of the male characters. At one moment I can choose to identify with one character and then I can switch and identify with the other. All the socially constructed ideas I'm stuck with when I think about a male/female pairing (how women and men should or should not behave, should or should not like and so on) is forgotten when I read slash.

For me, slash doesn't have to be realistic in the same way as het. Now, I don't enjoy a man going down on me in real life, hence, if I read a het fic where that happens, I don't get turned on and I find it difficult to identify with the woman in the fic. But when it comes to slash, since I don't really know how men experience sex, I have no problem imagining that a blowjob feels fucking fantastic...

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Date: 2005-06-09 11:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randominity.livejournal.com
All very good points, and I agree with much of what you've said here. I think that... not to pull a "I'm a gay man in a woman's body" sort of thing, but I think I like to enjoy fantasy sex as a man more than as a woman, which gives me double the pleasure in slash. But - yeah, het sort of does force you to take the woman's perspective, which I don't appreciate. Huh. More food for thought.

This is probably a deep overshare

Date: 2005-06-09 05:50 pm (UTC)
ext_134: by ladyjax (Default)
From: [identity profile] ladyjax.livejournal.com
Honestly, I got into the slash for the smut. On average, dicks don't do a thing for me. I could take 'em or leave 'em. There's something about het fic, though, that I find kind of pervy which is why it's a lot more facinating to me now than male/male slash. Femmeslash is still a little more uncharted territory for me. I've only ever written one femmeslash story and that was for Space: Above and Beyond. Most other femmeslash leaves me cold because the women involved don't really do anything for me. Zoe in Firefly I will take on a plate with a pickle on the side. Heh. BSG is attractive to me because of the military underpinnings.

I was sort of glad that Starbuck became undone when doing the deed with Lee. I personally don't want her to be the top bitch all the time. That gets tired because it's what's always expected when a women is balls out like that. Speaking from experience, there's something very...I don't know, deeply satisfying when a woman like that loses some or all of that much vaunted external cool in the heat of the moment. It just gets me all wiggly in a way that boysex never will.

no, no, please DO share

Date: 2005-06-09 11:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] randominity.livejournal.com
I can totally see your perspective when you lay it out that way. For me, I got into slash for the pretty, but maybe I've read so many bad romance novels and (when I was in popslash) MarySue het fics and my mind is poisoned or something. Maybe it's my own personal control issues rearing their ugly heads - like, I don't like to lose control, so I don't want the characters I like to lose control either?

Most other femmeslash leaves me cold because the women involved don't really do anything for me.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on most femmeslash (and lots of m/m slash, too). I only slash the boys I'm attracted to, and them's slim pickin's round these here parts. So throw in het as well, and it doesn't fare much better. Sigh.

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