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I love Googledocs. Finally I managed to send the same document to two beta-readers at once, and can see their edits on the exact same document! Not only that--talk about instant gratfication--I went to check to see the edits of one of the readers and saw that the other one was reading the document!

It was like I was her annoying friend, reading over her shoulder! Yeah, pretty much exactly like that.

I love the whole phenomenon of beta-reading. I love my beta-readers, because they actually have good advice for me. I love imagining them in their various far-away homes in far-away time zones, reading my story and going "Ooh! Ahhh! Tsk! Oy, what is she doing with verb tenses?" etc.

Ooooh, I have this big long story to beta-read, and I've been trying to figure out how to enter the edits so that the author can see them without having to constantly change the fonts. I just realized that I could do it in Googledocs! Aha! That solves the problem of my dependence on Microsoft Word with an author who doesn't have it! Bwa ha ha ha! I love the internet MORE!

I love chat. I love getting to talk with other writers about things we are writing. I love typing out my laughter, which in real life actually sounds like someone saying Ha! Ha! Ha! Or so some have told me. I am laughing all the way in California. I am making little goofy emoticons, all the way in Northern Ireland, and getting serious love that feels like having a backrub in the middle of the night. (You know what I mean, right?)

I love getting a quick ping from a friend in town, just casually asking me to participate in a major family milestone. "Could you do me a favor!" Yes! Sure! It's the internet!

Anyway, so that's what I'll be doing this afternoon. The library and fan fiction both can wait. :)

Date: 2007-02-11 06:48 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (Default)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
I was just reading an article about Google-docs in the Sunday Times as I had dinner tonight. I want to have a look at it, it does look potentially useful - though I hadn't actually got around to the idea of using it for beta-reading, which sounds awesomely useful!

Date: 2007-02-11 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] severity-softly.livejournal.com
It was like I was her annoying friend, reading over her shoulder!

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT FEELS LIKE!!! I started at goggle docs to collab, then started writing there a lot on my own when the laptop crashed and I didn't want to save my porn to my husbands desktop. I've always just invited my betas to the docs! It fantastic! Last night I sat there and watched my beta edit and felt exactly like that, like, 'Hmm, perhaps I should close the doc and let her edit in peace.' LOL!

Date: 2007-02-12 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liseuse.livejournal.com
What on earth is this googledocs malarkey? It sounds ever so very complicated and a little 1984-ish. Or am I merely being paranoid about this?

Date: 2007-02-12 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
If you have googlemail, you can set up an account to store your documents on their servers. You can choose who can see them by inviting them. They have a sort of rudimentary word processor. The advantage is, if you want to work on your smutty fics on someone else's machine, they won't get access to the documents unless you send it to them.

It is only complicated to the extent that it's kind of in beta-testing. The 1984 ish bit is the same as giving Google access to our data through email, or Six Apart access to our thoughts through LJ, etc.

Date: 2007-02-12 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liseuse.livejournal.com
Ah! I see! I am a technological incompetent who is still using hotmail and am not thus aware of the many wonders of googlemail. That does sound very cool however and really rather useful.

Date: 2007-02-12 05:21 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (Default)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
You know what else is useful? It doesn't matter what sort of computer you have, either. So if you have a Mac and no Word, and I have a PC with Word, we could use Googledocs anyway for swapping documents... sound familiar?

Their help says: "Google Docs & Spreadsheets will work wherever you have access to the Internet via a Windows or Macintosh computer with one of the following browsers:
IE 6.0+ (Windows); Firefox 1.07, 1.5.0.6+ (Mac & Windows -- except for 1.0.8 on Windows and Mac, and 1.5b1 on Mac); Mozilla 1.7.12+; Netscape 7.2, 8.0."

Alas, it doesn't work with Opera (yet...): when I tried it I got this heart-warming message from them.

"If you are working to fix problems with a specific browser and would like to bypass this check, just add &browserok=true to the end of the Google Docs & Spreadsheets url.

Please note that it is a violation of intergalactic law to use this parameter under false pretenses, so don't let us catch you at it.

And, it won't work very well -- really."

Date: 2007-02-12 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liseuse.livejournal.com
That sounds amazingly helpful! Except does it mean I'd have to download (whatever the hell it is you actually do to get new browsers) Firefox? Because I've only just got used to Safari.

Also, would I need a gmail account? Do you still need invites to get those? (Why yes, I could just check it out via their website, but this way I get human responses I stand a chance of understanding.)

Date: 2007-02-12 10:14 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (Default)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
Yes, you'd need a gmail account to use it fully - I've sent you an invite! Apparently you can use some of the features without, though. And Mozilla/Firefox is looking useful, though apparently some of the auto-update features can be a little odd, but there are ways round them. I've been looking at it myself, though I mostly use Opera; I have IE for a few things that won't work in Opera, and it also means I can have two copies of gmail open under two different user name (ha-ha!) I don't know Safari at all, so I don't know how different it would be.

However, more technologically-competent friends assure me that a) Firefox is FREE, you can d/l it and run it alongside Safari with no problem; b) you can set a preference in Safari for 'tell MacOS X what your default browser is' - so you should have no problems. If all you want to do in Firefox is run gmail, I'd think that would be fine.

Date: 2007-02-12 10:19 pm (UTC)
aunty_marion: Vaguely Norse-interlace dragon, with knitting (Default)
From: [personal profile] aunty_marion
Oh, and Firefox system requirements are here, and if you click up to Products, then Other Systems & Languages (under the button for d/l the Windows version), you get to this page where you can download the Mac version.

Date: 2007-02-12 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liseuse.livejournal.com
Hee! Thank you! I shall peruse them some day when I'm not two glasses of wine to the wind. I mean, I'd do it now but something dreadful would happen and I'd be thrown into rather a flap.

Date: 2007-02-12 10:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liseuse.livejournal.com
I got the invite! Ironically, I got the invite after bothering to go and look it up. I thus created myself an account: liseusester@googlemail.com

I did used to have firefox on Maude, but when I got Henry she came with Safari so I've just been using that instead. Ah well, I should probably get Firefox in order to use googledocs because they do sound incredibly helpful.

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