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Hey! This is a neat thing, and I'm not sure how to react to it!

Some nice person on my flist (I presume) nominated my historical novel in progress, The Heart's Obligations, for a Multifaceted Award. I'm really flattered.

I have to decide whether to accept the nomination. It's a work in progress and it has not been proofed by a beta reader. I haven't seen much like it in fandom--I wouldn't go out on a limb and call it unique, but it's different, and it seems unlikely that even if it were perfect to my own (not that strict) standards that it could win anything.

Here's what I could do:

1. Don't accept the nomination, because the story is unfinished and needs to be at the very least proofread. Pimping it more widely could be embarassing and could draw mean, critical readers.

2. Accept the nomination, and get beta readers to help make it more consistent before the voting. (I should probably solicit that kind of help anyway, but it's so many pages already!)

3. Accept the nomination, and proof it myself real fast to make it a bit more consistent, adding author's notes like crazy.

4. Accept the nomination and enjoy the new readers, it doesn't have a shot at winning anything anyway.

What do you think?

Date: 2006-02-05 12:08 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
Oh, go ahead and accept! (Heh--I was going to nominate you myself, but I guess someone beat me to it!) I wouldn't worry too much about mad beta'ing at the last minute. More author's notes and things that you yourself want to fix, sure. (If you get it rush-proofread now, when you add later chapters and/or finish it, it'll need to be done again).

And you forgot option 5: Accept the nomination, enjoy the readers, and smile winningly as you accept the award!

Date: 2006-02-05 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
It's nominated in the category for NC-17 slash fics, rather than in the AU category. I think maybe I'd have a better shot if it were an AU fic? Not only a better shot at winning, which seems unlikely, really, but a better shot at getting respectful/appreciative comments from readers. Instead of "what the hell is this business!? This isn't slash, you are a weirdo!" etc.

Date: 2006-02-05 12:48 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
Ah! You could nominate it in AU yourself, you know....

BTW (la la la) what e-mail would you like me to use with the Multifaceted noms? (no reason, no reason, la la la)

Date: 2006-02-05 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Use the one on my LJ, balabusta AT gmail.

I'm gonna nominate you back though, so look out.

Date: 2006-02-05 01:19 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
yikes! Some of the categories are already closed! But I got Snape's Escape in--hee!

Date: 2006-02-05 01:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Yes, I have cleverly nominated one of your most popular fics to compete with me in the AU category. What the hell is my problem, anyway?

Date: 2006-02-05 01:26 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
I notice that in the past Snape/Hermione seemed to have owned this award. I think we need to sic the Lupin/Snape behemoth on them. Hee! Do people actually read all the stories nominated in each category, just those with pairings they like, or just those of their friends? Fifteen stories times about ten categories = more fic-reading time than I have for the next several months....

Date: 2006-02-05 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Snape/Hermione pwns this fandom. We just aren't aware of it, here in the little slash neighborhood.

I'm only going to read in the categories where I think I'll have an opinion.

Date: 2006-02-05 01:35 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
Really? Snape/Hermione? Huh. * eyes wide * I've only ever read one S/H, and that was just because of the interesting arithmancy-magic concepts. *shivers*

* looks around shiftily * I may only vote for things I've already read....

Date: 2006-02-05 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I came to fandom from this parenting discussion board. Most of those readers, very nice intelligent ones, like het. A smaller group of us admitting that we like slash. Snape/Hermione is a compelling het pairing. Well, at least it is theoretically--only sometimes in actual practice.

Date: 2006-02-05 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scrtkpr.livejournal.com
Are you talking about MDC or a DIFFERENT parenting discussion board where people hang around talking about HP fanfic? LOL If it's MDC, I don't think slash is really that much the minority (if at all). On a lark, I started adding everyone who mentioned liking H/D to my buddy list. Counting myself, there are 13 of us. And then there's that one new Ron/Harry shipper. Also, I've had requests for the master list of fanfic recs from people not even posting on the thread, and most of them have been H/D shippers as well.

Congrats on the nomination, btw!

Date: 2006-02-05 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I guess I haven't been keeping up on that thread enough! I had the impression that more people liked het than slash.

I am happy to be nominated for something like this. I do think I need to line up my ducks on this story. I'm in the middle of writing the fourth chapter, and it might get a lot longer. I'm not sure.

Date: 2006-02-05 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scrtkpr.livejournal.com
Yeah, where have you been, anyway? You've been missing out on all the fun. Anyway, Snape/Hermione is so last year. ;) Even the het shippers on the thread are all about Ron/Hermione now (at least the ones posting), and most recs seem to be Harry/Draco, although there've been some recs on some other slash ships as well. We've had recent conversations on topics like mpreg. Some of our resident fanfic writers are getting ideas and feedback as they write, as well. It's great! You should visit us more often!

I really need to read this fic of yours that was nominated. I'm sure it's great!

Date: 2006-02-05 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I haven't been coming around MDC because I'm squandering my time on fan fic instead.

Yes, please do read my story. You can find it here. I have not archived it off of this site yet. I would consider putting it up on Skyhawke, but I really don't think it's ready. Plus there are killer formatting issues with Skyhawke and I am just not ready to cope with the craziness of reformatting these long chapters.

Date: 2006-02-05 03:45 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
My main dislike of the idea of Snape/Hermione is that it would so easily become Mary Sue ("Why, yes, I am an intelligent, bookish, clever person, writing about such a character--why?") Also, I have a gut dislike of teacher/student pairings. As you know!

Date: 2006-02-05 03:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Yes, I am way too close to Hermione. So for that matter is Snape. I think he initially dislikes her in canon because she is just like he was at that age: know it all, socially awkward, slightly funny looking, desperate to prove that she belongs at Hogwarts. Then of course she figures out how to make friends and overcome those disabilities and he never seems to have done that.

Plus he is such a drama queen that if he's not queer in canon, it's just because JKR is such a wimp about homosexuality.

Date: 2006-02-05 04:11 am (UTC)
busaikko: Something Wicked This Way Comes (Default)
From: [personal profile] busaikko
Plus he is such a drama queen that if he's not queer in canon, it's just because JKR is such a wimp about homosexuality.

How many popular children's series do address homosexuality? All I can think of is L'Engle.... I think it must be a publisher's thing, that there are rules (spoken or unspoken) about what they will or will not take. Imagine if in the last the book Harry does get together with Draco: would they publish it? I wonder....

Date: 2006-02-05 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I don't think that children's lit is ready for a gay protagonist, or even a gay antagonist (like snape). But how about a gay minor character? It's like there is no acknowledgement that children know gay people.

Date: 2006-02-05 01:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xochiquetzl
I try not to second-guess people saying nice things about my work. Accept the nomination.

Date: 2006-02-05 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Thanks. I will.

Date: 2006-02-05 05:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] snegurochka_lee
Accept! To be crude: it's fantastic PR. I've been lucky enough to have a few noms over the past few rounds, and even when I didn't win, my readership on those stories (and my other ones, by default of readers being linked to my fic site) skyrocketed. A *lot* of people read those noms. So take the publicity, and who cares if there are some parts that need a footnote or whatever. ♥

Date: 2006-02-05 03:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Please, go for 4. NEVER think every other author on there has better quality posted than you have ;-). Somebody thought you deserve that award; don't say no to the nomination.

I have been nominated before, and I have to confess that unlike Segurochka I can't say it did *anything* to my reader numbers at all; but it's just nice that somebody thinks a story of mine belongs on that list. Why refuse?

Date: 2006-02-05 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I am going to accept the nomination, and work a bit harder to get the fourth chapter done.

I have a vision for The Heart's Obligations that I don't know if I can realize. I want to write a full-length novel, so that I have something under my belt to bolster me when I start writing original (or maybe independent is a better word?) fiction. I am also hoping that when it's done, I can set it up on its own site, with fan art and period photographs and stuff like that.

Date: 2006-02-06 01:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
LOL! I came back to reply to this and suddenly saw that the number 4 I argued for has this rather nasty 'it doesn't have a shot at winning anything anyway' in it - I's forgotten all about it; I really wasn't suggesting anything! :D I suppose I just wanted to say that if I were you I wouldn't go correcting things like mad - someone included it just as it stands, and it's a WIP after all.

Your plans for it sound great! I adore it when authors put so much work in their stories - in fanfic I fear that's rather rare.

Date: 2006-02-06 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Oh, I didn't think you were saying anything negative! You should go read the story, though, then you will see what I mean. It is rather long, though there are some other very long ones people have nominated. But it's more that it's such a weird thing to do, to set the entire HP series in a 19th century Lithuanian Jewish shtetl.

Date: 2006-02-06 03:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sigune.livejournal.com
Right. I did as you said, and now I blame you for the fact that I didn't get any work done the past few hours, because I have been reading your story from beginning to end...

I don't know how you'll take this comment, but to me personally the story isn't fanfic at all. If you hadn't pointed out the character borrowings you would have had me convinced that this is entirely original, or independent. This seems to me a story inspired by certain dynamics you have found in the Potter series, but so different from those books that - well, I think if you published this nobody would get it in their heads to accuse you of any kind of plagiarism :D.

This is a great story; I'm reading it as a Jewish historical novel and not as fanfic, but maybe that's personal. I can't wait for the next chapter...

(The only thing that does nag me a bit is how you switch between tenses; is that a conscious choice?)

Date: 2006-02-06 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Argh, the tenses! No it's not intentional. it's my own idiotic fault for starting the story in present tense. I have considered going through the whole thing and making it all past tense, just to get out of this stupid mess. When I first started writing fan fiction, I stuck with present tense to make the porn easier. For some reason it was easier to write about people's experience of sex in present tense, even though everything else is easier in past tense.

It is a Jewish historical novel. It's also a parallel to the HP series in nearly every way. It takes place 100 years earlier (the marauder generation were all born in 1960, my characters in 1860). All of the events just happen to be parallel--there really were pogroms in 1881 that correspond roughly to the DE violence that killed Harry's parents in 1981. I did a bit of reading to make it work historically.

I'm writing the fourth chapter now and having some fun with some of the parallels.

Date: 2006-02-05 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liseuse.livejournal.com
Accept the nomination!

Date: 2006-02-05 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Okay, I did. I also updated my author's notes. I have been checking out the current nominees (the list is incomplete.) I have my doubts about whether anyone new is going to come read my story just because of the contest.

But I wrote some weird, disturbing and hot het this afternoon for it.

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