power of sexual healing in fan fiction
May. 6th, 2006 11:37 pmI was instant-messaging with
rexluscus at 5AM on Friday. (Because my sleep rhythms are soooooo messed up, that's why. I get about seven hours sleep a night, but it's often broken up with a chunk of an hour or two of wakefulness. Nice to have a buddy on the opposite coast!) Anyway I had an insight into why a certain erotic trope, which I tend to find difficult to write, is so compelling to read.
We were talking about erotic writing in which one partner is either nominally unwilling, or much less sexually experienced than the other. I find this especially hard to write if one partner is much older or has institutional power behind him. We both knew that the usually explanation of why such scenes are erotic is the desire of the reader to be absolved of responsibility for his or her sexuality. Presumably the reader projects into the character who is being forced to enjoy himself in one respect or another. Perhaps he is entirely consenting, but is merely less powerful because of the newness of the experience.
It's difficult to feel okay about eroticizing unequal relationships, even when they are supposedly consensual. I'm just a bit knee-jerk that way.
I flashed on the ending of one of my favorite novels, A.S. Byatt's Possession and a line that for some reason seemed very erotic to me in retrospect—"I'll take care of you." The protagonists have been getting to know each other for 549 pages, and finally, they confess their love and discuss all the reasons they have been afraid to be together, and then finally fall into bed. I couldn't find the passage while we were online yesterday, but this is it—much less erotic than I had recalled:
Cold hand met cold hand.
"Let's get into bed," said Roland. "We can work it out."
"I'm afraid of that too."
"What a coward you are after all. I'll take care of you, Maud."
So they took off their unaccustomed clothes, Cropper's mutli-colored lendings, and climbed naked inside the curtains and into the depths of the feather bed and blew out the candle. And very slowly and with infinite gentle delays and delicate diversions and variations of indirect assault Roland finally, to use an outdated phrase, entered and took possession of all her white coolness that grew warm against him, so that there seemed to be no boundaries, and he heard, towards dawn, from a long way off, her clear voice crying out, uninhibited, unashamed, in pleasure and triumph.
(The funny thing is, if I were her beta-reader, I would never have let her start this sentence with "And," I would have made her break it up into more than one sentence, and I would have made her really write the sex scene, and....Man the chutzpah of me! This is A.S. Byatt! This is Possession, a uniquely satisfying novel! One you have to read to know just how satisfying!
But still...)
I suppose the erotic power that I remembered in "I'll take care of you" was built over the course of the whole book.
Still, when you read an erotic fan fic—especially Snarry, but it's also true of many of the pairings—one of the key features is that one partner often has more power in lovemaking than the other. Some examples from Harry Potter fan fiction (because that's what I've been writing!):
• Harry is a virgin because his fame has made it impossible to trust anyone to get close. He needs Severus, who is older, to teach him about sex.
• Remus has scars and is sure he is ugly, or that his curse is too terrible—he needs Sirius to take the lead in their sex life in order to make him feel desirable. Maybe even tie him up.
• Severus has terrible trouble with intimacy—he needs Remus to help him heal through some kink or other (could be anything, really!)
You could think of other examples with other pairings, of course, or even stories in which Severus is a virgin and Harry is the initiator, or whatever. (Or fan fiction from other fandoms you know.)
I guess what I'm saying is, there is a sense in which a lot of the stories about kink in fan fiction are actually elaborate hurt/comfort stories. This is almost always true where there is a power imbalance between the characters. You can even read some of the dubious consent fics that way.
In real life, I'm afraid that sex doesn't make everything all better in the way that it does in fiction. Well, in real life, chocolate doesn't make everything all better, either! Still, scenes of kinky or unequal sex are more fun to read than scenes of one character serving another a bowl of soup. To many readers, I believe, these sex scenes fulfill the same function--demonstrating care while revealing character.
Feel free to disagree, add your two cents, or whatever.
We were talking about erotic writing in which one partner is either nominally unwilling, or much less sexually experienced than the other. I find this especially hard to write if one partner is much older or has institutional power behind him. We both knew that the usually explanation of why such scenes are erotic is the desire of the reader to be absolved of responsibility for his or her sexuality. Presumably the reader projects into the character who is being forced to enjoy himself in one respect or another. Perhaps he is entirely consenting, but is merely less powerful because of the newness of the experience.
It's difficult to feel okay about eroticizing unequal relationships, even when they are supposedly consensual. I'm just a bit knee-jerk that way.
I flashed on the ending of one of my favorite novels, A.S. Byatt's Possession and a line that for some reason seemed very erotic to me in retrospect—"I'll take care of you." The protagonists have been getting to know each other for 549 pages, and finally, they confess their love and discuss all the reasons they have been afraid to be together, and then finally fall into bed. I couldn't find the passage while we were online yesterday, but this is it—much less erotic than I had recalled:
Cold hand met cold hand.
"Let's get into bed," said Roland. "We can work it out."
"I'm afraid of that too."
"What a coward you are after all. I'll take care of you, Maud."
So they took off their unaccustomed clothes, Cropper's mutli-colored lendings, and climbed naked inside the curtains and into the depths of the feather bed and blew out the candle. And very slowly and with infinite gentle delays and delicate diversions and variations of indirect assault Roland finally, to use an outdated phrase, entered and took possession of all her white coolness that grew warm against him, so that there seemed to be no boundaries, and he heard, towards dawn, from a long way off, her clear voice crying out, uninhibited, unashamed, in pleasure and triumph.
(The funny thing is, if I were her beta-reader, I would never have let her start this sentence with "And," I would have made her break it up into more than one sentence, and I would have made her really write the sex scene, and....Man the chutzpah of me! This is A.S. Byatt! This is Possession, a uniquely satisfying novel! One you have to read to know just how satisfying!
But still...)
I suppose the erotic power that I remembered in "I'll take care of you" was built over the course of the whole book.
Still, when you read an erotic fan fic—especially Snarry, but it's also true of many of the pairings—one of the key features is that one partner often has more power in lovemaking than the other. Some examples from Harry Potter fan fiction (because that's what I've been writing!):
• Harry is a virgin because his fame has made it impossible to trust anyone to get close. He needs Severus, who is older, to teach him about sex.
• Remus has scars and is sure he is ugly, or that his curse is too terrible—he needs Sirius to take the lead in their sex life in order to make him feel desirable. Maybe even tie him up.
• Severus has terrible trouble with intimacy—he needs Remus to help him heal through some kink or other (could be anything, really!)
You could think of other examples with other pairings, of course, or even stories in which Severus is a virgin and Harry is the initiator, or whatever. (Or fan fiction from other fandoms you know.)
I guess what I'm saying is, there is a sense in which a lot of the stories about kink in fan fiction are actually elaborate hurt/comfort stories. This is almost always true where there is a power imbalance between the characters. You can even read some of the dubious consent fics that way.
In real life, I'm afraid that sex doesn't make everything all better in the way that it does in fiction. Well, in real life, chocolate doesn't make everything all better, either! Still, scenes of kinky or unequal sex are more fun to read than scenes of one character serving another a bowl of soup. To many readers, I believe, these sex scenes fulfill the same function--demonstrating care while revealing character.
Feel free to disagree, add your two cents, or whatever.
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Date: 2006-05-07 06:15 am (UTC)Tonight I just wanted to say that I love listening to your thoughts and thank you so much for sharing, your meta, your fiction, and the lovely little details about life with your precocious son. It is a pleasure having you on my flist.
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Date: 2006-05-07 10:32 am (UTC)(Obviously I have been in a chatty mood lately.)
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Date: 2006-05-07 12:35 pm (UTC)I really like fics where there is a power imbalance but it has to be with the correct characters. For example I ADORE snarry stories where Harry dominates Severus, but feel sick when I read the reverse scenario (and tend to read snarry where Harry is an adult).
I think I like the idea of being taken care of but only when it is truly a free choice. Snape is strong enough to live on his own, so when he gives himself up to another i find it erotic.
I do like some non-con stuff, but again when it is snape on the receiving end. I think I like to see strong characters broken down, but I can't stomach the oppression of the truly weak.
I hope that made some sort of sense to you.
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Date: 2006-05-07 05:32 pm (UTC)It sounds like you are only interested in power imbalance when it corrects the imbalances you find in canon. Which is kind of fun! Since I wasn't trying to create a totalizing erotic theory (which wouldn't work for everyone's psychology, anyway) I can get into your take on this.
When I say "non-con" of course I mean the fantasy stuff, not anything that's remotely realistic. But I do get you, again, about the erotics of correcting dominance.
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Date: 2006-05-07 06:36 pm (UTC)(What I really loved was the first-time lovemaking scene between the other couple in the book.)
And I see what you mean about sexual power imbalance stories being variations of hurt/comfort stories. (Inexperienced/inhibited Severus is a huge kink of mine.)
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Date: 2006-05-07 08:36 pm (UTC)I like Severus both in the role of inexperienced/inhibited and in the healing/dominating role. Depending on who is writing, of course.
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Date: 2006-05-07 10:38 pm (UTC)I'm glad :) I seem to be finding trouble expressing myself cohesively in reply to these things (worrying when I'm considering a return to university LOL). I shall have to practise a lot :)
And yes that would be the best way to describe it I guess, the erotics of correcting dominance. Of course, like with all things it isn't ALWAYS the case. I think sometimes I DO make Snape the substitute for my own fantasy about being taken care of. In a way the power correction comes into it because I see myself as a very strong and independant person and so to find somebody I would actually trust to look after me is something special indeed.
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Date: 2006-05-07 10:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-10 03:47 pm (UTC)I think I like the idea of being taken care of but only when it is truly a free choice.
Me too. I think that's why some, er, 'breaking-Harry-down' fics work for me, but not others -- in some, it's a free choice, and in others, it's not, or just not mentioned at all (which I find even more disturbing. There's nothing more disturbing for me than having that kind of choice not even referred to or given any sort of importance in the scheme of things, however good the fic is). With stronger characters, that choice, even if it's not mentioned, is implicit because of their strength, in a way.
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Date: 2006-05-11 09:00 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-05-07 01:26 pm (UTC)I guess what I'm saying is, there is a sense in which a lot of the stories about kink in fan fiction are actually elaborate hurt/comfort stories. This is almost always true where there is a power imbalance between the characters. You can even read some of the dubious consent fics that way.
I guess if you read the rest of the non-con fics that way, you will find just the other side of the coin. Take stories about rape or bdsm or chan. There you have also an imbalance of power. People will often say that they read these stories for the loss of control.
Maybe, when we break down all kinks and variations of different themes, we will be able to see the most *basic* needs of mankind. Like taking care of the ones you are close to or defending your own life. And if someone wants to take care there has to be someone who is taken care of. Like in RL, there will always be someone to play the counterpart to your own story. (Only in RL, people tend to find out that many times, their stories don't match.)
The most *human* need of mankind would be making sense. Call it character development in a story and leave it to the writer's choice how to colour the details. But the driving motivation beneath are the vital energies of life. *Maybe* that's why I (and others too?) love hurt/comfort and its different variations so much.
I still feel a bit brain-dead. So I can only ask if some of this is making sense to you. I apologise for any incoherency in advance. :-)
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Date: 2006-05-07 05:37 pm (UTC)I don't think people who enjoy stories about power imbalance or dubious consent actually approve of abusive relationships or rape. They are working out other issues. Or so I suppose.
People who actually play BDSM games have written meta for fandom to explain that it's realy a consensual game. In some ways fan fiction writing about non-con and some kinks is to work out the same stuff. Pleasure and at the same time, making meaning out of earlier experiences--just as you say.
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Date: 2006-05-07 05:04 pm (UTC)The erotic appeal of letting the control into someone's else hand is something I dig a lot (probably my biggest kink) but that's why I like true D/s or S/m fics. Non con doesn't do it for me, though a very good mindfuck fics can work, if ambiguous enough.
Unequal relationships do not disturb me as long as they're not withewashed. There's this discussion about chan linked by the D_S where they were mentionning two kinds of story : some where the relationship would be portrayed just as abusive as it was and eroticized as such, and some where the relationship was shown as loving and sweet as if nothing was wrong or disturbing about (in the exemple) a 30 years old Sirius having sex with Harry.
I definitly prefer the former to the latter. If something you write is unequal address the inequality, it doesn't even have to be black and white, but don't pretend that any relationship between Snape and Harry as a student could be healthy in any world.
Then again they are some relationships with a big age difference that I really like, at least in theory, where it's the younger one going after the older one.
Healing sex, yeah I can see that. Though in good stories sex is often only a part of the deal. It's the building of intimacy that's healing and sex is only the climax (pun intended:) of the healing process in the narrative process.
Of course I often thing that I read stories just for that, for that almost alchemical process of having a character being stripped down to their bare bones, having all their vulnerabilities bared raw, undergoing experiences that breaks them... whether that's for the purpose of putting them back together after while (then it's hurt/comfort) or to leave there like this in a state of pure despair (and then it's a dark fic).
I find that in hurt/comfort, it's the hurt part that matters to me.
But then again, I'm an angst addict ^^
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Date: 2006-05-07 05:40 pm (UTC)Yes, I agree with this. Authors have to make a decision about how to deal with the inequalities, not to pretend they aren't there.
On your point about liking to see the hurt more than the comfort: I think there's probably a good reason why that works for some readers. I wonder what it is, but you are definitely not the only one I know who is in touch with the erotics of that.
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Date: 2006-05-08 05:46 pm (UTC)To many readers, I believe, these sex scenes fulfill the same function--demonstrating care while revealing character.
I agree with you here and might even take it a step further: sex scenes in fanfiction often seem to be a physical metaphor for emotional connections established between characters. The power imbalance issue is so tricky because we seem to be moderately comfortable with scenarios in which one character presses a position of power emotionally (a common, complicated, and morally ambiguous situation) but shy away from scenarios in which that character presses a position of power during sex (something much less common and more clear cut morally and legally).
The whole thing is compounded--in my eyes, at least--by the fact that sex not only does a lot of work standing in for emotional connections in fanfic but also is one of the genre's prime narrative devices.
In other words, what gets worked out through language and gestures and action in real life happens in bed in fanfiction, and it's surprising that what we read and write doesn't disturb us much more than it already does, considering most of us have much stricter rules about what acceptable sexual behavior is than what we're allowed to talk about or do.
Well, in real life, chocolate doesn't make everything all better, either!
Clearly, you haven't given it a proper chance. (smile)
Maggie
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Date: 2006-05-08 06:05 pm (UTC)I think we like exploring all kinds of stuff in fiction, where it's safe.
What kind of chocolate?
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Date: 2006-05-08 10:51 pm (UTC)It's funny how quickly the requirements come to seem very natural. When I started reading a few months ago the sex scenes stood out--I wasn't used to them--but now, in the right hands, they're amazingly effective.
And the chocolate? I'm not so finicky, but right now it's hot chocolate, Abuelita Mexican hot chocolate. (purr of content)
Maggie
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Date: 2006-05-10 03:17 am (UTC)Honestly though, that truly is a facinating concept, and it's certainly not something I'd really thought of previously. And yet [haha, you should prolly never beta me, I love starting sentences with 'And'. Sorry, random. And you don't even know me!], it explains the draw of cross-generational pairings and the like, which I could never really explain to my Remus/Sirius OTP4ever sort of friends [who I love anyway, despite the fact that I get reactions of LA LA LA LA LA about half of the fics I read.]. So, many thanks, because now I have an idea of where to start answering aside fomr 'just because!' and other awful answers of similar kinds.
And here via daily_snitch, brilliant thing, that. *grins*
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Date: 2006-05-10 03:47 am (UTC)Weeeelllll---except without the rest of her novel, how does that passage look? It looks like a passage someone wrote going "Oh, how boring, I have to finally get this pair into bed because my editor says so, oh, guess she's right, fine, take off your clothes, fine, done, boom." Speaking of blasphemy!
I think it's not only X-gen pairs that my theory (ahem) explains. Though I realized after I wrote it that of course not everyone was going to like my "it's either kinky sex or a bowl of soup" theory, and that of course it doesn't really work for every story. Still I'm happy that it made sense for you!
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Date: 2006-05-10 04:06 pm (UTC)The hurt/comfort aspect of sex in fanfic makes perfect sense - a lot of
I sort of understand how the healing sex is all that makes some fanfic seem real sometimes, though. In real life, sex is almost always full of issues and baggage the participant(s) bring to the table, and the absence of such issues, such as in fic, is either something that makes the sex outstandingly good, or something that leaves it a bit empty, all things considered. Or maybe the lack of issues in empty sex isn't actually a lack of issues at all - it's hidden issues that the participant(s) are unaware of, or refuse to be aware of...
Sorry if I've repeated anything you've said, btw. I tend to get carried away in the musing, some of the time ;)
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:19 pm (UTC)It's not that kinky sex is healing in real life, but that it stands in for something else. You don't, in real life, want to fix all of your life's problems with one or two orgasms. But it is a powerful feature of fan fiction,.We can choose, as writers, never to have any sex be empty--it always stands for something.
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Date: 2006-05-10 05:25 pm (UTC)I agree with never having any sex be empty, especially in long fic. It just seems to be more satisfying, on the whole :)
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Date: 2006-05-11 04:00 am (UTC)Not for me! :)
I guess what I'm saying is, there is a sense in which a lot of the stories about kink in fan fiction are actually elaborate hurt/comfort stories. This is almost always true where there is a power imbalance between the characters. You can even read some of the dubious consent fics that way.
It is my opinion that the dubious consent kink (which I have, to the marrow) is not so much about hurt and healing as it is about fear and embarrassment and intensity. In a dubious consent scenario, you don't have to admit that you want something embarrassing. The top somehow "just knows" what you really really want, and makes you do it/does it to you. This is the difference between dubious consent and non-consent. In a non-consensual scene, the aggressor knows the aggressee does NOT want to be treated that way and does it anyway. That absolutely turns me off. But dubious consent is my bulletproof kink.
I don't think power imbalances always involve hurt/comfort, but then I'm a BDSM person. An important thing to remember is that a sub in a BDSM scene is the focus of all the dom's attention. In egalitarian sex you have to give and receive; as a sub you get to be gloriously greedy.
As for RL...neither sex nor chocolate nor anything else can make "everything" all better--but I can think of times in my own life when they certainly fixed the immediate, presenting problem.
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Date: 2006-05-11 05:00 am (UTC)Thanks for a very helpful definition! That was always unclear to me and now is very clear.
Yes, I understand that power imbalances down't always involve hurt/comfort. But the BDSM kink in fan fic often does. The whole thing about being the focus of the dom's attention is precisely the sort of healing-by-kink that I mean. Once you establish that one of the characters is somehow psychologically in need of someone seeing to their needs, then BDSM has this powerful role in developing characters and their relationship.
But really, writers can use any kink that way. Golden showers to overcome the characters' self-disgust, or bondage to work on issues of trust...I can think of a lot of examples.
I have decided to demand to know what kind of chocolate whenever anyone comments that it does make things better!
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Date: 2006-05-11 10:33 am (UTC)I'm also someone who identifies as a Top, but doesn't enjoy many fanfics involving BDSM.
I'd quite like to read a story in which one character's feelings for another are expressed by serving a bowl of soup or similar. If it's well written it could cover a whole raft of emotions and dynamics.
Back to inter-generational relationships, though. What really works for me in terms of story dynamics is the situation where both/all parties have something to learn from each other. Just because one is older than the other, it doesn't mean that s/he can't discover new things about hirself or pick up new skills. Equally if I were to enjoy a kink fic, or a vanila sex scene where one partner is much more experienced than the other, it would be because both partners are learning about themselves/each other -- no matter how experienced someone is, every new partner is going to be different. And people generally don't come with instruction manuals.
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Date: 2006-05-11 10:52 am (UTC)That is a great idea! I often feel like there isn't enough gen, or even rated G relationship stories. (You know, where it's called slash but there isn't sex, for example.)
I think we rely on sex very heavily. Many of the readers like to read a lot of smut. Some of us are novice writers and sex is a very nice way to embody the characters, get them moving around, and develop their characters through something very subjective.
But I often wonder what else would work as well. Obviously, there is fighting. There is work. There is eating. (There is cooking, which is one of the things I like to do IRL and could write about credibly.) There are quite a lot of things that might stand in for sex.
There aren't whole lj communities of people writing characters making soup though. At least not yet.
I also like your point about how not all intergenerational relationships privilege the older partner. Of course that's true. There are inequalities on more than one axis. I used age inequality as an example, but there are many more, some that are particular to individual characters.
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Date: 2006-05-11 11:45 am (UTC)Imbalances are fun -- I have one character who is academically superior to both his potential love interests (although all three are in different fields of study), but is in a position where they both know far more about him than he knows about them. Then I have a pair in another story where she's initially got all the advantages (older, wealthier woman with a wide circle of influence), but as the relationship progresses over the years he becomes successful in his own line of business and so has the advantage in terms of knowledge, money and contacts.
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Date: 2006-05-12 03:48 am (UTC)Sex between guardians and wards squicks me (eg Episode II Obi Wan and Anikan). I don't why, but it feels incestuous in way. Yet some of the most popular ships in fandom are guardian/ward.
There's something about the dynamic that must grab people that I'm not getting. *shrug*
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Date: 2006-05-12 05:23 am (UTC)Though of course, now that I'm reading the responses, I see that it only accounts for some fics.
Maybe the guardian/ward trope is sexy to some people because it is disturbing?
Or maybe it provides an opportunity for writers to show characters have made the transition to adulthood?
I really don't know.