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This is a sequel to my birthday meta for [livejournal.com profile] cordelia_v, here. I kind of sort of promised to write a sequel. I always do that. D'oh! I have to stop doing that. Anyway, here it is:



Winning at Fandom, the sequel: Why Most Right-Thinking Fans Do NOT Want to be BNFs, Don't Like BNFs, and Generally Use BNF as an Insult


This is a sequel to my birthday meta for [livejournal.com profile] cordelia_v, here. That meta was about who becomes a BNF ( "Big Name Fan") and why.

This meta is about why the relationship between BNFs and other fans can get so unpleasant. I chalk this up to two factors: BNFs, who are leaders in fandom, abusing the implicit reasonable expectations that put them in that position, and fans who don't take BNF positions having unreasonable expectations of fandom leaders.

Who's in Charge Here?

Fandom is a voluntary activity. It is also diffusely or loosely organized. There is no one single leader or organizer of all of any given fandom. Rather, many people take responsibility for making some of the fannish activity happen. Fandom is non-hierarchical; only the individual fan can privilege one fan activity over another. You might always read the community from your favorite pairing, or always read the fandom newsletter, or always read the fandom news site.

In a smaller fandom than Harry Potter (which I believe, is all of the rest of the fandoms! Harry Potter is a behemoth!) there might be fewer choices. But you still have a choice: to read one archive or another, to look at fan art first, and like that.

Therefore, the BNFs: the people who have been in fandom the longest, done the most work, made the prettiest fanart or written the best fic, or had the most social success—aren't really the leaders of the whole shebang. No one is.

But if you stick your head up and take on leading something, you effectively become a lightning rod for other people's irritation with things that are going wrong. We have all seen this in real life volunteer situations.

Really Ugly Stuff!

Before I make this into a problem of diffuse responsibility and differing expectations, let me say that I know as well as you that some people who did a lot of work for fandom went on to abuse the trust of other fans. I don't have to name names here, I don't think. There are many horror stories out there about very well-known writers who plagiarized large chunks of popular stories. Some BNFs asked for money or material goods. Some lied about their real lives, in dramatic and crazy ways. Obviously, these are egregious breaches of trust.

Even just to make a commitment to do some fan work, like a fest or an archive, and not living up to that commitment, can hurt people's feelings and just leave a bad taste in the mouth. It is a reasonable expectation that people will do what they say they will.

Of course, there is also some much less terrible BNF behavior that upsets fans and falls into an ethical gray area.

Popular Girls

Obviously, yes, I know, not all BNFs are female. But the problems that people have with BNFs look a lot like popular girl behavior.

You know what I mean:
• Stuck up/full of herself
• Cliquish
• Plays favorites/only promotes or cares about her friends
• and the catch all, general meanie!

So let's talk about these.

Full of yourself much?
There is a certain amount of self-promotion that everyone has to do to get their work read on the internet. In HP fandom, we come from a lot of different cultures—even those of us who are from the same country! So there's bound to be some serious differences in our judgments of what is okay for a person to say about her own work to promote it—or even, what it's okay to do.

In a recent wank, I saw a fan accuse another of padding his flist. I don't even know what that means, exactly! We regularly discuss whether it is bad form to promote our stories on too many LJ communities, whether we are spamming our flists when we do so, etc.

It seems to me that this is one no one is ever going to get right—too many conflicting expectations.

Clique!
As I wrote in my other essay, I believe that relationship building is a necessary component of becoming a BNF. But on the other hand, an individual can't really be a close friend with an infinite number of people. Unless she never sleeps, I suppose.

We are always going to have a problem with this issue, too. The BNF effectively commits herself to being friends (and LJ even uses the word friends! Argh!) with a very large group of people. But then she or he can only really have close relationships with a subset of those—and there is a hierarchy of tenure on friendships, too.

On the other hand, some BNFs seem to like having a clique. Maybe they didn’t have one in school. Perhaps the behavior you see as cliquish really is. That's what I meant by "gray area."

Playing favorites
This is stuff like making sure your friends get the assignments they want in first-come first-served exchanges, promoting your friends' work, and promoting fanwork or meta theories that meet only your tastes. Another one that gets fuzzy, I think: people really might be engaging in this dubious sort of behavior, or we might all see it that way because it's something that worries us.

It's a basic structural feature of fandom that everything is shaped by the individual tastes of the people doing all the work. That's a problem that irritates us all mightily if we think individual leaders are abusing the power that comes with doing all the work. But it might be inevitable. I don't know.

You meanie!
Okay, well, yes, some people who wind up as leaders really are meanies. Can't deny it. So far I've been pretty lucky and haven't suffered much more than a little personal cold-shouldering.

Again this is a problem of the mechanism for becoming a BNF. You think just because the person doing all the work calls other people "honey" and "sweetie" and "darling" she should call you those things, too. But do you really want her to be your honey darling sweetie, or do you want to write and draw and make friends with other people who share your interests?

Remember, you didn't come to fandom to make friends with "the important people." Well, okay, maybe you did! But I thought you came because you wanted to join in the fun and the creativity and win at the internets by making friends who share your interests.

BNFs are both important and not really that important

As I wrote in my previous essay, BNFs are the people who started your fandom. They are the people who make the comms and fests and archives happen. They write the stories and make the art that you love. They also know how to schmooze people in an LJ comment and can navigate social systems.

They do a lot for the atmosphere in fandom. But what they do really isn't that mysterious. They aren't in charge; no one person is. They have taken leadership by taking responsibility for work. Anyone could do that.

In some measure, we are all big name fans—we know each other and we like each other and we value each other. Let's let go of the queen bee syndrome. BNFs deserve a lot of appreciation, but really, they don't deserve a lot of power. If we stop giving them power, they can't abuse it, and we can't feel bad about ways we merely think they've abused it either. Then fandom can be the love-fest we've envisioned in our wildest dreams--or at least, our corner of fandom can be--and we can WIN AT FANDOM AND WIN AT LIFE!

THE END!

Date: 2007-01-07 04:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celandineb.livejournal.com
The "playing favorites" bit is one I want to remark on. Promoting work (fic, art, meta) that suits your own taste, and not promoting work that doesn't, is inevitable, I think. And there's nothing wrong with that; it's just wise to be transparent about it, rather than to claim that one is adhering to some objective set of standards. There aren't really any objective standards once you get past the level of SPaG, and pretending there are is silly.

Which means, then, that resenting someone because she promotes work she likes (as opposed to work you [generic you] like, or your own work) is equally silly. *g*

Date: 2007-01-07 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Yes, this is my point.

Though I don't want to let people off the hook for lack of transparency, which is always the source of a lot of conflict.

Date: 2007-01-07 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tayefeth.livejournal.com
Promoting work (fic, art, meta) that suits your own taste, and not promoting work that doesn't, is inevitable, I think.

Not just inevitable, but useful. If [livejournal.com profile] recs_by_grac recommended fics she didn't like, her rec list wouldn't be nearly as useful. Rec list are most useful when the recommender is honest.

On the other hand, sites that claim to be providing an objective history of a fandom need to do just that, and not exclude fics because the author(s) are idiosyncratic and prickly or because the fic is angst when the compiler prefers fluff (or vice versa).

Date: 2007-01-07 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celandineb.livejournal.com
Certainly; if there's a claim to some kind of objectivity then that needs to be genuinely the case. But personal rec lists in general aren't, and shouldn't be, anything more that the things that the recommender happens to like.

Date: 2007-01-07 07:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
That depends what kind of rec we're talking of :

If at my journal (or if I had a reccing journal, there) I was only reccing things I like , it's okay

If at a newsletter like [Unknown site tag] or [livejournal.com profile] quibbler_report I'm only reccing fics with the specific pairings I like without trying to assess the objective qualities of fics doing pairings that I don't like, then I'm doing something wrong.

Date: 2007-01-07 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I think [livejournal.com profile] celadineb's word "transparency" explains the difference.

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Date: 2007-01-07 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celandineb.livejournal.com
Mm, true. I was thinking just of personal recs. My understanding is that newsletters mostly just either compile links of fics posted (either submitted or the mod goes looking for whatever's appropriate to the comm -- and yeah, if they ignore what they don't personally like then that's a problem), or else compile a list of recs made by individuals, so that if a story has been recced by say at least three people it'll get listed in the comm. But perhaps I am mistaken?

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Date: 2007-01-07 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tripperfunster.livejournal.com
This whole concept is quite new to me. I've found your meta very interesting!

I think the main problem with fandom, as with every thing else in life, is that it's run by people. And although I love people, we are all flawed, and a tad self destructive!:D

You also said that the clique-y people might be ones who had cliques in school. I beg to differ. I don't want to paint with a big brush here, but I'm guessing, those of us who have full social lives probably don't spend much time on the computer. (no one should be offended at this, because gawd knows I spend waaay too much time on here myself!!) I think I have a very full life, two kids, I own and run my own business and have a wonderful husband. I wouldn't consider myself 'friendless' but I would say it's one part of my RL that is lacking.

I love my lj friends. I just found this fandom a year ago, and it's been so much fun. I literally have not had a problem with anyone. Perhaps I"m just lucky, or perhaps I'm exceptionally thick skinned (or both) and I've certainly been trolled on occasion by homophobic lewsers, but I found it more amusing that depressing.

I'm sure I had a scinillating point here that I've now lost....:( But thanks for the meta, it was fun food for thought!

Date: 2007-01-07 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Yes, I definitely see the same dynamics in fandom that I saw in other volunteer work I've done IRL. "Run by people"-- yes it really does all boil down to that.

My guess is that most people have fun more than they have drama in fandom, or it wouldn't be worthwhile.

Date: 2007-01-09 07:23 pm (UTC)
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I think the main problem with fandom, as with every thing else in life, is that it's run by people.

Seriously the most insightful comment I've ever read on why fandom is that it is on so many levels. Isolating that sentence it seems so obvious, but I think we often forget. Either we expect people in fandom to be perfect happy caricatures of people, or we think "OMG all those weirdos on the internet." Real life - and despite the way we often refer to it, fandom is real life - is full of flawed but fabulous people.

Date: 2007-01-10 06:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tripperfunster.livejournal.com
Thanks! I wasn't trying to be particularly deep (because I fail at that) but sometimes, I excell at being the Master of the Obvious.

We are all wonderful and fabulous and beautifully flawed, aren't we? And thank God for that, because I don't think robots particularly enjoy porn. :D

Date: 2007-01-07 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aubrem.livejournal.com
ooooh, this is the interesting social stuff I really enjoy talking about. I am no BNF but I am an oldtimer so I sometimes feel the pull of the clique and favoritism points. I love finding new people and promoting them (and getting to know them). I am a bit of an anarchist by nature - I like to shake things up. : ) Also, at bottom it's all about the fanwork so when I see a fantastically talented new writer or artist I squee and point. : )

Still, when RL pulls on me or my fannish energy is low, I pull up the drawbridge and only talk with old, comfortable friends and read only the absolutely most promising stories (which are often written by old, comfortable friends) so it probably looks like I'm being cliquish and playing favorites. Really, it's just conservation of energy until I'm ready to look around again. I suspect a lot of people go through these cycles. RL can overwhelm us all at times.

As to the f'list padding - I'd like to venture a guess as to what that is. Sometimes people friend a lot of people in order to get the reciprocal friending back, but then filter them off when reading - or at least filter them to a lower priority. I can't condemn that strategy of journal promotion because it seems pretty upfront to me as long as you don't hide the fact that you use reading filters. (Though of course no one ever knows for sure which filter they are on and newbies don't realize filters exist). It bugs me on some level though so I don't use filters and instead keep a very tight f'list.

Date: 2007-01-07 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
this is a very helpful comment! For one thing, I felt a lot more comfortable with my first essay, which was just saying what I thought was the dynamic of people becoming well-known in fandom. Here I was worried that I was being wanky just to notice the negativity at all.

That's interesting about flist padding. I didn't even know you could filter your flist to read it. That is amazingly silly, subscribing to journals you don't want to actually read, just to make the other person subscribe back. Maybe I don't really understand how people use the flist as well as i thought I did.

Date: 2007-01-07 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bronze-ribbons.livejournal.com
Mm, there's a another side to it. I still consider reading filters a pain (since you have to be logged in for them to function -- not a problem if you have just one LJ and are always logged in as that person, but as someone with both a personal and fandom LJ, it's a nuisance) but finally concluded they were the lesser of two evils, because...

(1) I realized I was squandering way too much energy worrying over whether I was hurting people's feelings or alienating potential readers by not friending them back (especially if we had mutual friends in common). (An extremely silly thing to spend time on, I realize, but I don't really know how to turn off that part of my brain.)

(2) I felt like a snob whenever I met someone and they said "friend me!" and I tried to explain why I wouldn't automatically reciprocate.

(3) I came across several people's complaints about yo-yo friending (being added/dropped from lists multiple times from people like me).

(4) I got tired of trying to word non-elitist-sounding friending policies on my user profiles.

At this point, on the fandom journal, I'll friend anyone back who isn't an empty journal, but I'm also assuming most people will understand I am not reading every post every day (which is in turn my default assumption for everyone else). Sure, there are evenings where I'm going to indulge myself and read everyone + friends, but some days I don't have the energy or time to do more than check in on the dozen people I "know" best. :-/

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Date: 2007-01-07 07:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Loved this essay and the previous one. I love how you demystify all this BNF business. I also dislike how people are going to systematically criticize or praise BNF. The point is that they're people like everyone else (if a bit more public than most fen) they're not perfect nor are they evil spawns of hell.

Power is such a tricky thing in fandom. Fandom mostly functions like anarchism, I think. People have the power they take responsability for. However not everyone has the same time, internet access, internet ressouces, etc, not even going into skills ^^

Date: 2007-01-07 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
This is also a good point--people can become BNFs in part because they have resources to devote to fandom.

Sometimes they have resources for fandom because they lack resources irl--are physically or socially isolated, for example. So there are trade-offs.

Date: 2007-01-08 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thesnapelyone.livejournal.com
I could wank 'till death over the whole BNF business, and I am very good at being bitchy about it, too, so believe me when I say you've done a good job at avoiding that. I've enjoyed your meta, although with me it's more like 'preaching to the choir', so I don't really have much to add. The comments to it so far have been just as informative, though!

I think it's very interesting to see where everyone weighs in on the issue. I've also encountered all these things in much more depth in another corner of the 'net (my HP fandom is very insular, despite the raving, multi-headed beast it can be), so it's interesting to compare tales from HP fandom to my own experiences. And personally I'd like to add that the particular corner of fandom I count myself as being on the fringe of seems to be not as bad as I've experienced/heard of elsewhere. Either this is true, or it's just more example of me with my head in the sand.

Date: 2007-01-08 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
I see the folks in this corner of fandom doing things thoughtfully to avoid some of the wanky stuff I describe above. For example, comment contests, delurking challenges, that sort of thing.

But the big thing, for me, is to recognize that the problems are structural first. The personalities we insert into these structures either work or don't--and to me, people being transparent and honest about what they want is the key when they do work.

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Date: 2007-01-09 07:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] isiscolo.livejournal.com
Hee, this is a most excellent summary of the issues around the strange conglomeration of social networks that comprise fandom.

I think that a corollary of being visible is being dislikeable; a corollary of doing a lot of things and interacting with a lot of people is that you can't please all of the people all of the time, and you'll end up pissing off someone. So there is wank and there is friction (neither of the good kind :-) when in an ideal world we would all get along.

Date: 2007-01-09 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Yes, this is exactly what I think. When you become visible, you become representative of every other person who has exercised leadership in this area. Not only true of fandom, but of many jobs and many voluntary positions. People may take their previous bad experiences and disappointments out on you.

But I think that's true to some degree of almost everything worth doing.

Date: 2007-01-09 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angiepen.livejournal.com
[Here from [livejournal.com profile] metafandom by the way. [smile/wave]]

I think you have a pretty good handle on how things work and what goes on. I particularly agree that there are a lot of unfounded accusations flung about of this or that, of someone being stuck up or cliquish or whatever, on the vaguest of evidence. Someone doesn't rec stories I personally like, therefore she's only promoting her friends. Someone doesn't hold long conversations with me in comments the way she does with some other people, therefore she just hangs with her clique and doesn't want to talk to anyone unless they're "important." Someone doesn't comment on my stories, therefore she's stuck up.

I think the few (and it really is a tiny number of people, when you look at the total number of well-known fans) who've done this or that and fallen off their pedestals have really ruined it for everyone else because a lot of folks are Just Waiting for someone who seems to be a BNF to put a single foot wrong, even once. Or maybe just look like they put a foot wrong. Or maybe they just look like they're thinking about it. Or maybe someone heard a rumor that someone else said that they'd probably put a foot wrong some day and that's close enough, right? [eyeroll]

an individual can't really be a close friend with an infinite number of people

I think that right there explains a lot of complaints -- cliques, stuck up-ness, playing favorites, meanness, all of it. People think, "Would it kill her to talk to ME? To read MY story? To rec MY friend's vid?" and don't consider that yeah, it just might. :/

Personally, I'm at the ragged edge of what I can handle on LJ, time-wise. If someone looks interesting I'm much more likely to friend them if I check their archive and see that they only post once a week than if they're posting three times a day without fail, and interest or quality really has nothing to do with it. I just don't have time to expand my reading by any significant amount, not if I want to have time to do my own writing and pay some attention to my husband and do the other things I want to do in my life. I just don't. And I don't have five hundred people on my Flist who'd all love a slice of my attention.

I have no idea how much free time Jane BigFan has, either. Maybe she's stuck up, sure. But maybe she just honestly doesn't have time to friend one more writer, or to say more than "Thanks for the comments!" when I leave three screens of detailed commentary on one of her stories.

And even if she's just not interested in becoming close friends with another person, that's fair too. People should be polite and civil to everyone, sure, but I don't have any particular claim on Jane BigFan's time or attention and it's not reasonable of me to expect that she'd be willing to spend a couple of hours chatting back and forth with me in comments, just because I want her to. And the fact that she does it with Mary Fangirl (whom she's known and been friends with for a year or three) doesn't change anything. Just because she does it with Mary doesn't mean she has an obligation to do it with anyone else.

It's that expectation that ruins things, and the assumption that the only reason someone could have for not wanting to talk to me or read my story or whatever is meanness or being stuck up. If everyone were willing to give everyone else the benefit of the doubt, and not jump to the conclusion that everything's personal and must have been meant as a slap, things would be a lot more peaceful I think.

Angie

Date: 2007-01-09 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] metafandom, eh? I finally went to read their FAQ so I could figure out how they know whenever I post meta. Nifty.

I think what you say here is only half of why things go wrong. Some of the problem is really with people's motivations for taking leadership. It's not 100% a problem of perception. Fandom leaders (BNFs, etc.) do engage in some bad behavior. Don't let people off the hook for that, even as you recognize that a lot of this is coming out of the conflicting expectations of a non-hierarchical and geographically diffuse group of people.

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Date: 2007-01-09 11:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] jassanja.livejournal.com
As you say in the beginning, the size of the fandom does matter.
There isn't much choice anymore if you are in a fandom of 30 people, with one archive only, and the one fan that has contact to TPTB and will give out news only to those kissing her ass ....then you have that stereotype of BNF

Date: 2007-01-10 07:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com
This is fantastic, as is your previous post (and yeah, here from [livejournal.com profile] metafandom.

I think the cliquishness comes down to what it always does: why are they friends with that person and not me? And the answer is always the same, and never fair: they just got on well. It's worse when friends-of-BNF are perceived as getting something more than friendship from the relationship, as though the BNFs have these favors which they are supposed to be distributing equally but, meanly, are distributing unequally.

I think the one thing you might have missed is the behavior of fandom fans of the BNF. So often I observed things getting out of control and resentment growing because of the very people who are fans of whatever the BNF is producing. For example, saying, "You can't call yourself an X/Y fan if you don't love that story by the BNF!!!!!" It's already annoying when you're a fan of a pairing and you just don't like the Big Damn Story, but that's made even more annoying by (often rather young) fangirls all but calling you a bad fan for not liking it. And, again, fans of the BNF sometimes give presents to the BNF, and that also leads to jealousies, because none of us are "supposed" to get anything for what we're doing. (This leads to the "BNF asked for something" story; frequently, they were asked. Are the rest of us condemned for our Amazon wish lists?)

Date: 2007-01-10 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schemingreader.livejournal.com
Oh good point, and isn't it ever so annoying, that phenomenon you describe -- the Big Damn Story, oh how I wish I had thought that one up myself! (The BNF's BDS! heh!)

Yes, it's one thing to have a person be honored for her or his contribution, and it's quite another to have liking their work be the single litmus test for true fandom. You used to think that liking canon might be the way to tell if someone was a fan, and now it's the Big Damn Story instead.

So let's talk about presents for a second. I don't have a problem with an Amazon wishlist or with people who meet through fandom giving each other gifts. What I think is unethical is any feeling that you have to compensate other fans for their voluntary fanwork. There is a big difference between "oh hey, we wrote you more smut, (or even, here's a gift certificate) thanks for coordinating this festival" and "let's buy so-and-so an expensive toaster, she really deserves it for all she's done for our pairing."

Toaster. I just can't think this early in the morning.

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