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Re...lationship... PARTICULARLY FOR ERIKA but also first impression type things for Raven I guess.

Eri... ka... Lambda pretty much went from "passive-aggressive but mostly civil rivalry and one-upsmanship" to "BLIND SEETHING HATRED AND A NEED TO CRUSH FOREVER!!!" towards her in one fell swoop with their mistletoe thread. Basically, Lambda is very guarded and makes concentrated efforts to hide Feelings and weaknesses and seem cool and untouchable, and this is especially amplified with Umineko cast in Aather because she realizes she used to be in a superior position before and was respected and feared!! But in Aather, not only does she not really hold any sway over anyone else, she is perhaps even the weakest link because she remembers the least and doesn't have any real power. So she is covering that up as much as she can by still asserting herself as confident and undaunted and still superior so that fact seems less obvious—she is purposely vague and handwave-y about how much she remembers, too, so she can keep everyone guessing.

And then Erika saw her worst memory, which was basically overflowing with insecurity and frustration with herself! And thennn Lambda basically dug herself deeper by provoking Erika to try and turn it around on her first, and Erika managed to genuinely get to her by disdainfully laying out The Reasons Why She Sucks, which made for a deeper cut than she would ever admit... So!! Lambda is channeling that frustration and upset into CRUSHING ERIKA AND RUINING HER LIFE!!! Because she won't allow herself to be looked down on and how else do you make sure to show everyone who's boss besides threatening to ruin lives as soon as you're questioned!

As for Raven, so far she likes him! He's psuedo-flirty and fun to banter with and has a "more than he seems" aura about him, so she's quite enjoyed talking with him. He's also dating Beato, which... well, Lambda isn't totally sure of her relationship with Beatrice right now, but it's definitely something noteworthy.

Reverse?

how else do you make sure to show everyone who's boss besides threatening to ruin lives as soon as you're questioned!

^ That, yes.

All of Erika's mistletoe threads with cast were pretty much about toppling the fragile equilibrium that came from not knowing things and not knowing how much other people remembered about things! Especially with Lambda! Who she still only remembers from completely failing at the knock/letter puzzle, but at least she could comfort herself with the fact that Lambda doesn't remember that and in general she probably remembers much more than Lambda. But then Lambda's memory was... completely outside anything she has context for (lol EP8) so she felt really out of her depth again!! And then Lambda mocked her!!

So she pulled out all the stops in attaching her back, even though that did reveal some of her own faults as well, as Lambda... pointed out... but at least it made her feel better. Then obviously in their most recently threads she's been more forcedly polite, both because circumstances demanded it and because she... doesn't really have much more ammunition to work with, so keeping it on that level seems safer until she can regroup.

RAVEN LIKES LAMBDA I don't think anything has really changed since last time I talked about them I don't think. :|a He's still not sure about her relationship with Beatrice either beyond them being allies, but she seems fun. And he likes telling people who know Beatrice that they are dating because it makes him feel like their relationship is more solid. |D Acknowledgement... is important...

Are there any memories you're looking forward to Lambda getting?

I'm super looking forward to getting back Logic Error-related memories! '^' Especially the one where she gives Battler advice as she leaves him in the room, because I thought it was a pretty powerful scene and it definitely will have an impact on her in Aather... And just all the memories along those lines give the impression that she is actually sort of a sad and lonely person. And of course the actual backstory itself, which will be a trip and a half for her to remember.

I also look forward to more EP8 memories eventually because I think her role was really fun and she had a lot of great scenes! They are also the ones that most obviously paint her in a positive light. But I've gone ahead and locked those for a while.

Tell me about Erika and her Jasperfeels...

Erika... does not hate... all of Jasper. She does not have the patience for Jasper's moe parts - she mostly mocked Mitsuki relentlessly when he was here, Saya is her least favorite because she's naive and stupid and they had a whole argument about learning unpleasant truths or just ignoring them happily (a subject which they were on fundamental disagreement on), and she doesn't... really care about Pitch at all because he seems kind of useless and imperceptive. And she doesn't know Greed very well but he seems kind of dumb.

BUT in normal circumstances she got along decently well with Eve and Ivory and Azure! And originally with Swift in particular. For a while before Battler showed up Swift was actually her closest thing to her relationship with Battler - he was decently clever but not enough to threaten her or notice that she was that terrible, and she had a lot of fun bantering with him. And they could compete to find out information. '-' In the negative CR game when she had to pick the person she was closest with for a task she picked Swift.

HOWEVER... then Three's elevator game happened. And all of Jasper sort of had it hammered in that Erika is actually pretty horrible, which most of them had noticed or suspected but Swift had been kind of ignoring. Because she was like WHATEVER YES LET'S VOTE FOR PEOPLE TO DIE AS LONG AS IT HELPS US WIN. And she didn't really care about teammates losing eyes or whatever as long as that helped, either. SO basically her whole team ended up arguing with her over things while she was like SHUT UP I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU GUYS I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING BUT WINNING!! And in the end she was overruled and went off in a huge pout. And then when they made their final choice Jasper sort of all huddled together to await their potential doom. And Erika was still off in her pout but Ivory invited her to stand with them, and she... kind of tsunderely did. I think she walked over and shoved Ivory off whoever's head he was sitting on. BECAUSE WHAT ELSE WAS SHE GOING TO DO OKAY.

SO YES that sort of... put a big splinter in Erika's relationship with the rest of the team and Swift in particular and is a thing she still has feelings about. IN GENERAL THOUGH Jasper... works very well together in games as long as lives are not on the line. Like in the pie-making game recently she had fun with Swift and even Saya a bit by plotting to passive-aggressively send Citrine a pie. So on one level she is kind of like WHY ARE YOU MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL ABOUT THE FACT THAT I THINK KILLING PEOPLE IS OKAY AND THAT I DON'T CARE IF YOU GET YOUR EYES RIPPED OUT, GEEZ, WE CAN STILL HAVE FUN TIMES!! On another level she's like UGH IT DOESN'T MATTER I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU ANYWAY!!

Teamfeels.

What are Lambda's strongest impressions of other teams?

RELATIONSHIP

BATTLER!!! Lambda actually hasn't much changed how she deals with Battler since she started remembering him. She still thinks he's a fun dumb boy and has fun playing with him and being obnoxious at him! She likes him a lot, and while she... doesn't exactly "trust" him in the sense that she is not very open with him at all and deliberately steers clear of more serious topics or revealing anything about herself to him, it's pretty stress-free as far as relationships with canonmates go. It's just Battler!! He is pretty straightforward and... Battler, so she kind of just flops around him and does whatever without worrying about it. She will continue hanging around him and being friends for as long as it lasts, though she kind of has the feeling it won't last... very long... as soon as she starts remembering about her, especially since he already doesn't trust her. :') She doesn't expect to be given the benefit of the doubt if he remembers her doing something really awful, but is pretty much like "well I guess that will happen when it happens."

Reverse?

Battler's feelings on Lambda are...very conflicted. On one hand, he still likes her and thinks of her as a friend! On the other, in his only memory of her it was pretty clear that he didn't like her much. That alone wouldn't be enough to make for any trouble, but he's been kind of unsure about her ever since the Hook/Sea Witch game. He got a bad case of survivor's guilt over not losing anything at all and feels a vague kind of resentment at Lambda for coming up with the idea of playing dead. Finding out that she was from the same world and had been hiding that from him right after that same game really sealed in this impression of her as not quite trustworthy in his eyes. Plus she's a witch -- he doesn't remember a lot about witches yet but has vague feelings of LIES and MURDER related to them, so that doesn't really help.

All that said, he does still enjoy Lambda's company and in case of trouble would help her without hesitation! There's just...a bit of unsureness going along with it.

How serious is Lambda about LEARNING BATTLER'S SECRETS?

HOW ARE WE Lambda-san '^'

WE ARE GOOD! '^' Kit is her best off-team friend... Their personalities click in a very good way! He has a lot of energy, is adventurous and fun to banter with, and they have similar ways of dealing with things and an unspoken understanding about that. Though this also means there is a certain tendency there to not really... talk about some things... when something does come up, it's always more along the lines of "I see what is up but choose not to push about it" thing rather than actual obliviousness, which suits her fine. He's a good guy who she actually has a fairly good amount of emotional trust in, which is saying a lot for her! And she respects that he's the kind of person who has the determination to try and break through a situation he hates to be stuck in—it's the kind of thing she likes to see in a person more than anything else.

Reverse?

WE ARE DEFINITELY GOOD, and Kit definitely considers Lambda one of his closer friends at this point. Kit's relationship with Lambda is a good mixture of mutual poker facing, teasing, and enjoyable banter, which definitely makes it easy for them to click. They're frequently on the same page about things and they can slip into conversation easily without pushing each other's comfort zones. But at the same time, they are not completely unaware of the deeper things that go on in each others lives, and they are definitely capable of talking about deeper things. He definitely thinks Lambda is a good person, and an interesting one at that, and he definitely trusts her a lot at this point, too (CRY WOLF GAME SUSPICIONS ASIDE). He does have an innate curiosity when it comes to her, i.e. he would like to learn more about her witch life at home and more about her in general, but he's willing to let all of that stuff come out naturally without prying. He also enjoys it when she gets all tsundere at him 'cause picking on tsunderes is always fun |Da

LAMBDA'S THOUGHTS ON CORAL?

Lambda and Nunnallyyyyy and how she's doing in the aftermath of her crazymemory in general!

Lambda love love loves Nunnally ;A; She's cute and clever and fun, they work well together and especially in games can just match wavelengths so nicely and play off each other so well. And on top of being sweet and caring, she is also very strong-willed—she's perceptive, forms her own thoughts on things, and doesn't bend easily. So Lambda both enjoys her company and has a lot of respect for her... And then she took her memory and told Nunnally straight up about what kind of person she actually is completely unapologetically and forcefully, and not only did she not reject her for it, Nunnally cared enough to identify and cut through Lambda's persistent BS and consistently showed concern for her—and that sort of acceptance is pretty flooring and basically means everything to Lambda. She completely adores Nunnally, and if there is anyone who she would feel comfortable completely opening up to, it's her.

As for how she has been after the memory... For the most part, things have been actually going quite well since! She was upfront and unapologetic with Kunzite about it, yet not a single person condemned her or rejected her for it, and basically said they'd stand by her no matter what... This was followed by a talk with Beatrice, who is... the person in her memory that she was abusing and threatening. A lot of Lambda's reasons for feeling like she couldn't just keep acting the same way she had been in Aather regardless of her memories had to do with sort of feeling like she was supposed to be like that, as a witch who is basically a superior being, and that rejecting that would be like a weakness... So in talking with Beatrice she was sort of simultaneously fishing for some kind of answer and trying to look as intimidating as possible... and then she was blindsided again because Beato outright offered to help her if she ever had trouble, which was pretty much the last thing she expected. So all these sort of... accepting reactions basically ended up pacifying her, and she basically took the approach "I'll keep doing what I want and we'll see what happens." It hasn't been without effects; there's definitely a lot more underlying crazy, but for now it's mostly staying underlying unless provoked—I guess the best example of her potential for it would be how vengeful she's being with Erika and how she threatened to...... gut her and hang her internal organs on the wall..... But for now she is kind of rolling with things. She's accepted that a terrible person is just a thing that she was, and she's probably going to remember more of it, but she doesn't have to actively do anything about it that she doesn't want to.

Reverse?

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Lambda is in a weird place for Nunnally of almost certainly being someone she'd be intimidated by and a little in awe of .///. if she'd been on the team before Nunnally, but Nunnally is. . . a senior member of Kunzite now, weirdly, and that shows a little in their interactions!

(TANGENT: Lambda was the first member of Kunzite she really parsed as "younger" than her on the team; it was something that couldn't happen at all till she'd hit a certain point of development, and Kira could have done it but was too self-assured coming in, plus I think Nunnally missed the first couple of games she played with the team; games are always a key point in how Nunnally starts interpreting how her teammates fit into her social dynamics. Nunnally also parses an awful lot of affectionate relationships as kind of big sibling/little sibling thing unconsciously; it's a holdover from when like 80% of the people she knew well were her half-siblings, and she's always been the baaaby, so seeing herself in any way as "big sister" is something she had to adjust to slowly. But in Lambda's first game she was protective of her and lectured her a little, gently, about team policy! So that really settled her into that role. The sort of push and pull between Lambda being someone she'd look up to versus Lambda as "little sister" works out so that they're mostly the same "age" in Nunnally's mind, except that she's much more willing to be assertive with Lambda as a sort of responsibility thing.)

Anyway, END TANGENT Nunnally cares a lot about Lambda and she's very curious about her! The revelation that Lambda was a witch was part of what helped her reconcile herself to C.C.'s presence in Nunnally and Lelouch's lives, because Lambda is sweet and playful and her teammate who she feels a little protective of; clearly not all witches are like they were described to her on Homura's world. Nunnally is very invested in making sure that everyone on Kunzite feels like they have a place on the team regardless of their pasts, in her own way — the team as a welcoming place is very important to her and she doesn't want any other members to either break that welcome or feel unwelcomed themselves. So she was able to push through Lambda's BS because of some very complicated power dynamics in how Nunnally parses thier relationship, and she did it partly for her own selfish reasons, but also because she really likes Lambda, for the reasons you've described! They get along well. She genuinely believes Lambda loev the team and that is the most important thing :Xa

Nunnally also knows that she's capable of pulling the trigger on a nuclear weapon to "save" her brother; that the person she loves most in the world led it in a reign of terror for what he saw as the greater good, that her adopted brother is an assassin, and that her family is a family of murderers and conquerors and liars where even the most well-intentioned of them had her hands stained through events beyond her control. She's not without morals at all, but she's absolutely uninterested in giving up people that she loves in order to judge them for their pasts. Lambda may be a terrible person but Nunnally sees in her the potential for a really good friend :Xa and she wants it.

What would Lambda do if Bern showed up in Aather?

Lambda and Snow '-'

Lambda loves Snow... He is up there with Meadow in the "people Lambda basically trusts unconditionally" category! He is a cutie and fun to tease and it's also cute when he plays along!! He's the teammate she most consistently plays in games with, and since games tend to be sort of like a bonding experience for her, it's made her feel pretty close to him. She also considers him very reliable and also patient, especially after she took crazymemory and he talked about it to her calmly and with a very good understanding of a lot of the things she was feeling, and told her that Kunzite would not have a hard time with her around even if she's a terrible person... And that kind of acceptance and understanding is really flooring and extremely important for her! He's one of the few people who she can feel compelled to be relatively open and honest with.

Reverse?

SNOW ADORES LAMBDA '-' From the beginning she just seemed... NATURALLY INCLINED TO KUNZITE IT UP so he took to her really fast! He's always a little uncertain with new teammates until he can figure them out a bit, but Lambda was so YUP PERFECT FOR KUNZITE that that stage didn't last very long at all-- it was obvious pretty quickly that Lambda was going to work really well with the team, whether that ended up being because she was a good team-player or because Kunzite's methods just happened to fit her nature. And his comfort with her only increased the more she seemed to develop an honest affection for Kunzite after all! Her place in Kunzite aside, as a person he thinks she's really charming and appreciates her cheeriness and determination, and how she balances her strong personality with not honestly being pushy or overbearing. LOEV LAMBDA.

And as for the crazymemory business! Snow was being p. honest with everything he said. He understands that there's potential for Lambda to change in ways that might be uncomfortable, but as a whole he has a looooot of faith in Kunzite's ability to stabilize people. Not that he thinks that Kunzite will be able to magic away Lambda's crazy, but he trusts Lambda not to want to do anything that would be bad for Kunzite as a whole and trusts Kunzite to be able to handle it if she ever does lose that focus or control of herself. His goal in that conversation was basically to try and help Lambda believe that she could trust and confide in Kunzite about her feelings on her developing sense of self, so that Kunzite could do their best to yeah, be a stabilizing influence if needed, and just give support if not. He feels like it went pretty okay! '-'

I don't think they've talked about it too much IC, so what does Lambda think about the Personae?

Lambda can't dislike them! She resented them in the very, very beginning when she was a total baby amnesiac because "how dare they!!!!", but one of the very first things Beatrice told her was that they are existences much like the Personae, and she is gradually starting to see how that is true. So she is starting to be able to identify with their role a bit, and on top of that after actually interacting with some she's able to see clearly how they're individuals and each different from the other. So she judges them on individual basis like she would anyone else—some of them she likes, namely Nimue, and some of them she doesn't care for. But she doesn't really dislike them as a concept—it is what it is, and while she doesn't like being in a position where she is basically at their mercy in some aspects, it would be a bit hypocritical to judge them for it.

What does Snow think about the Personae?

Lady Lambdadelta~~

Lambda... isn't even sure what her relationship with Beatrice is anymore...

She was already very guarded around Beatrice for a while, mainly because Beatrice remembered so much more than her—even about her—and that put her a bit on the defensive, especially since she often got the feeling that she wasn't acting the way she was expected to and that put a certain amount of stress on her in navigating interactions. But she still always liked Beatrice and enjoyed those interactions regardless, even if she considered them a bit difficult...

... Then she got the EP3 Tea Party memory. :'D And that... obviously put a very different perspective on their relationship! And on one hand, that gave her an advantage and an upper hand for sure, but on the other, "/o\ oh god I'm terrible and I've been doing everything here all wrong and we aren't friends at all" and she was really unsure... of what to do in general. Then she had her conversation with Beatrice, which was sort of half feeling out Beatrice for her experiences and how she feels about things being... different between home and Aather, and half trying to be a jerk... But then Beatrice was saying of her own accord that she would help her if there was an opportunity to do so, and that was the last thing Lambda expected, because, well, whether she was the one who made Beatrice into a witch or not, she believes she did it for no reason other than use and abuse her anyway. So she was not really expecting to receive good will, but it sort of... relaxed her in a way? It made her feel more at ease and less like she had desperate reason to be absolutely on top of everything with no weaknesses. It made her a little less concerned about obsessively upholding past images, although she is still trying to be mindful of the gap in their positions and keep it somewhat clear, even if she feels no pressing need to terrorize her in Aather. But she would like to remain friendly with Beatrice if she can, basically, maybe get to know her better...? While still being careful with it.

Reverse?

uhhhh gosh. Beatrice doesn't exactly know how to feel either... Like I said before she has developed an instinctive sense of like... prey sensing a predator, from her memories, so she does NOT REALLY TAKE LAMBDA LIGHTLY. However she does have the memory of the logic error, so she does have some vague understanding that Lambda has not always been on the top of the food chain, and that she does have SOME small tendency to earnestly help out. And I think noticing that Lambda was acting kind of uncertain or subdued in Aather when they spoke actually... connected things in her mind? She was able to sympathize and realize OH, Lambda has had horrible things happen to her in the past, probably her memories are going to wreck her and unstabilize her just like anyone else?! She's usually so untouchable in Beato's mind that she actually hadn't thought until that moment that she could maybe help, from a position of experience and as someone who has likely dealt with similar things. So it was a weird moment for her... but I think she's aware that treating Lambda like she's terrifyingly awful, when she's not demonstrably so in Aather, would just become a self-fulfilling prophecy more likely than not. And maybe in amnesialand if she grows up nicer and I try to be nice to her she won't abuse me as much...... '-'a

I see Beato just got back the memory of the EP3 Tea Party herself but... as much as it will give her bad feelings that's mostly clarifying/reinforcing what she already knew, so :'Da She will still be cautious, but. She knows that Lambda can't actually do anything to her yet so she... will be more calm about it. The thing that makes Lambda scary to Beatrice is different from what makes other castmates scary to her in an amnesia setting, in a way? People like Erika are dangerous just getting back memories, because she can use information as ammunition. People like Battler are dangerous just getting back memories because they might paint Beatrice in an awful light and turn him against her 8|a But Lambdadelta is scary in canon mostly because of the power she holds over Beato, which... would probably take a lot of skill regains, if it's possible at all to have that level of control in Aather. If it's just information then Lambda already knew about Beatrice all along, so!! It doesn't drastically change things. (Which is also why she's not going to TOTALLY FREAK OUT if Lambda knows her backstory, har har.)

What is a SURPRISING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT that has occurred so far in Aather?

r-r-relationship??

Lambda likes Swift! Like they are still in the "friendly acquaintances" stage as they don't know each other that well or anything, but she thinks he's a cute kid, smart and observant, and fun to banter back and forth with. He's someone who she'd seek out to talk with more, and definitely wouldn't mind if he also took her up on her invitation to stop by Kunzite... Not a whole lot has changed since she went into his heart since she didn't end up seeing a whole lot, but if he's on bad terms with Erika, as far as she's concerned that's a plus in her book right now. :')

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