Most everyone's seen the mass panic about Twitter. I'm one of the many unfortunate artists who use social media to share and shill art, so I'm not leaving until it's completely burnt to the ground.
I am very annoyed at people pointing and laughing at those who use Twitter to share their art, including folks who depend on Twitter for a large portion of their audience and income (artists and writers!!!). It's about as annoying as people who would make fun of someone for losing their job, like yeah we all know social media is Bad and sucks but we live in a joker society where it's easiest way to spread news and art. It's not like we don't have other sites we use, Twitter just happened to be the one where we find the most people. So yeah. People making fun of others' suffering can fuck off.
Some thoughts on sites:
Dreamwidth: I've already spread my presence to as many different sites as possible, as I've learnt from 2018 Tumblr not to put all my eggs in one basket. Dreamwidth is one of the sites I've always meant to make an account on, especially because a lot of slower moving art and fandom events are on here. It's established, seems stable, and I already know what the general community vibes are like because it's a livejournal offshoot.
Mastodon: I'm not interested in Mastodon or whatever other instances, because I am not interested in something that has the same format as Twitter but with less people. I don't like the format of Twitter. I'm only on Twitter because there are so many people there, that I can force to read my horrible tweets about Bruce Wayne's anal blockage.
No one I personally know is on Mastodon. A lot of the people doing community outreach for Mastodon right now are aggressive and rude, calling confused strangers "tech-illiterate idiots shooting themselves in the foot" for not knowing or wanting to do Mastodon. I do not want to join communities of strangers where the loudest people are arrogant, smug, and condescending.
I do not know of any specific instances for communities I would be interested in (diy art, zines, and yaoi), the one instance for art (Baraag) with the laxest NSFW rules is full of art that I do not want to see, and I am loathe to talk to strangers on large instances/cliques for my own safety and sanity. If I wanted to talk to 10 people I know on an instance "tooting" into the void, I'd rather just make a group chat.
Cohost: I am not interested in Cohost because they openly admit to mishandling their finances, and they already had their "Pillowfort" moment where they poorly handled the banning of "lolicon art".
Cohost's funding is one guy giving a couple of people a bunch of money, and they've already lost $23k. I do not trust that their finances, and thus the website, will be stable for the future. We've already seen this with Pillowfortand fanexus, where those projects make (or made) little progress because of the lack of funding and direction. Cohost does not currently make money (which a site needs to survive), they're leaking money. It does not seem like Cohost has a financial plan other than asking people for subscriptions, and I don't know how many $5 subscriptions can pay off $150k.
On their handling of the "lolicon" situation, the staff opened up the conversation to users and of course there was resounding negative feedback. Much of it accusing the staff of being pedophile enablers themselves!!! Any privately owned site has the right to moderate their content however they want, but I do not like that the Cohost staff seem too spineless to make this decision by themselves (they kept repeating they find lolicon art disgusting and they don't even want to discuss it in staff meetings??? Just ban it then.) and got bullied + harassed + death threated by their own userbase. A moderation team that cannot even handle their current small userbase, or make their own decisions on issues they all seem to agree on, doesn't seem promising.
(Pillowfort did the same thing, and alienated half their userbase by retroactively banning art of fictional characters that appear to be "under the age of 15", which is a strange ruling because they're still underage. Thus, they alienated both people who thought Pillowfort was still pedophile-enablers because they STILL allowed pornography of Naruto, and people who thought Pillowfort would be under similar NSFW rules as AO3 because of the fandom-y marketing.)
I do not draw lolicon art, or any art of prepubescent characters engaging in intercourse. A lot of the stories I create contain subjects that would upset same crowd, however: age gap, power imbalance, gore, abuse, murder, rape, incest, cannibalism, necrophilia, unhappy endings, and so on. I am confident in my art and have no intention of stopping making art that reflects the horrible shit humans do to each other. I wonder if the current crowd on Cohost would go on to harass and send death threats to me?
Pillowfort: Already made one a long time ago, even donated $5 to make my account! It was fine, but their handling of the "lolicon" situation as detailed above, as well as their security issues at launch made me never use it again afterwards. Doesn't seem like they're making too much progress right now, will check back in on them in a couple of years. A lot of the same stuff I'd put on there (nsfw art and writing), I just put on my own site that I made after I forgot about Pillowfort. And now I can put my ramblings here :)
Tumblr: I'm very annoyed at their current marketing campaign of "The Home of Fandom!!!" and being very quirkly lel and selling merch of memes their users made. I'm even more annoyed at their "lol female presenting nipples are allowed now" ruling. I'm still using it, just because I've been on there for like 10 or 15 years and my blog has hella shit to archive. It's also really easy to upload art. I hope I cost them $50 in server usage every year with no gain to them.
Anyways. Social media is funny. Siloing into just a few websites is funny. I think anyone who wants artists and writers to completely abandon social media because of its inherent evils are ridiculous. Girl I want to see where my friends and fav artists and writers are, and also I want money to exchange for goods and services. Until they have universal basic income and I can see old man yaoi writers and artists at the old man uke convention, it's nice to have a place to meet people.
I still think there's a lot of value for us to have our own websites, especially in CONJUNCTION with all our different blogs and socmeds. I'll make another post about website hosting some time. Seeya!
I am very annoyed at people pointing and laughing at those who use Twitter to share their art, including folks who depend on Twitter for a large portion of their audience and income (artists and writers!!!). It's about as annoying as people who would make fun of someone for losing their job, like yeah we all know social media is Bad and sucks but we live in a joker society where it's easiest way to spread news and art. It's not like we don't have other sites we use, Twitter just happened to be the one where we find the most people. So yeah. People making fun of others' suffering can fuck off.
Some thoughts on sites:
Dreamwidth: I've already spread my presence to as many different sites as possible, as I've learnt from 2018 Tumblr not to put all my eggs in one basket. Dreamwidth is one of the sites I've always meant to make an account on, especially because a lot of slower moving art and fandom events are on here. It's established, seems stable, and I already know what the general community vibes are like because it's a livejournal offshoot.
Mastodon: I'm not interested in Mastodon or whatever other instances, because I am not interested in something that has the same format as Twitter but with less people. I don't like the format of Twitter. I'm only on Twitter because there are so many people there, that I can force to read my horrible tweets about Bruce Wayne's anal blockage.
No one I personally know is on Mastodon. A lot of the people doing community outreach for Mastodon right now are aggressive and rude, calling confused strangers "tech-illiterate idiots shooting themselves in the foot" for not knowing or wanting to do Mastodon. I do not want to join communities of strangers where the loudest people are arrogant, smug, and condescending.
I do not know of any specific instances for communities I would be interested in (diy art, zines, and yaoi), the one instance for art (Baraag) with the laxest NSFW rules is full of art that I do not want to see, and I am loathe to talk to strangers on large instances/cliques for my own safety and sanity. If I wanted to talk to 10 people I know on an instance "tooting" into the void, I'd rather just make a group chat.
Cohost: I am not interested in Cohost because they openly admit to mishandling their finances, and they already had their "Pillowfort" moment where they poorly handled the banning of "lolicon art".
Cohost's funding is one guy giving a couple of people a bunch of money, and they've already lost $23k. I do not trust that their finances, and thus the website, will be stable for the future. We've already seen this with Pillowfort
On their handling of the "lolicon" situation, the staff opened up the conversation to users and of course there was resounding negative feedback. Much of it accusing the staff of being pedophile enablers themselves!!! Any privately owned site has the right to moderate their content however they want, but I do not like that the Cohost staff seem too spineless to make this decision by themselves (they kept repeating they find lolicon art disgusting and they don't even want to discuss it in staff meetings??? Just ban it then.) and got bullied + harassed + death threated by their own userbase. A moderation team that cannot even handle their current small userbase, or make their own decisions on issues they all seem to agree on, doesn't seem promising.
(Pillowfort did the same thing, and alienated half their userbase by retroactively banning art of fictional characters that appear to be "under the age of 15", which is a strange ruling because they're still underage. Thus, they alienated both people who thought Pillowfort was still pedophile-enablers because they STILL allowed pornography of Naruto, and people who thought Pillowfort would be under similar NSFW rules as AO3 because of the fandom-y marketing.)
I do not draw lolicon art, or any art of prepubescent characters engaging in intercourse. A lot of the stories I create contain subjects that would upset same crowd, however: age gap, power imbalance, gore, abuse, murder, rape, incest, cannibalism, necrophilia, unhappy endings, and so on. I am confident in my art and have no intention of stopping making art that reflects the horrible shit humans do to each other. I wonder if the current crowd on Cohost would go on to harass and send death threats to me?
Pillowfort: Already made one a long time ago, even donated $5 to make my account! It was fine, but their handling of the "lolicon" situation as detailed above, as well as their security issues at launch made me never use it again afterwards. Doesn't seem like they're making too much progress right now, will check back in on them in a couple of years. A lot of the same stuff I'd put on there (nsfw art and writing), I just put on my own site that I made after I forgot about Pillowfort. And now I can put my ramblings here :)
Tumblr: I'm very annoyed at their current marketing campaign of "The Home of Fandom!!!" and being very quirkly lel and selling merch of memes their users made. I'm even more annoyed at their "lol female presenting nipples are allowed now" ruling. I'm still using it, just because I've been on there for like 10 or 15 years and my blog has hella shit to archive. It's also really easy to upload art. I hope I cost them $50 in server usage every year with no gain to them.
Anyways. Social media is funny. Siloing into just a few websites is funny. I think anyone who wants artists and writers to completely abandon social media because of its inherent evils are ridiculous. Girl I want to see where my friends and fav artists and writers are, and also I want money to exchange for goods and services. Until they have universal basic income and I can see old man yaoi writers and artists at the old man uke convention, it's nice to have a place to meet people.
I still think there's a lot of value for us to have our own websites, especially in CONJUNCTION with all our different blogs and socmeds. I'll make another post about website hosting some time. Seeya!
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7/11/22 22:59 (UTC)I'm trying to think now what I wish for in a perfect world if social media platform had everything I want, and I'm struggling to really think of anything. I've always used different websites for different things, so it's never been a hope of mine to have everything in one place. One place to look at art, one place to talk to people, one place to rant and ramble, and one place to be really creative and make into my digital sanctuary. I'm not sure how the avg person views social media, but I get the impression we may be a minority actually ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Does the avg social media user just want a one-stop shop experience like the ex-Twitter CEO seems to think?
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8/11/22 00:01 (UTC)Surprisingly, yes! From what I've seen over the last few days, a lot of normal people really just want one place to see everything, from their friends to family, to fetish stuff LOL. That's how you get grandpa pressing "like" on pornhub videos and sharing it to facebook accidentally...
I think that's just how people are trained though, because I have a feeling this audience is more... recent to the internet? Folks like you n' me are used to going to 10 different places for different interests, but a lot of people (from zoomers to boomers) legit think the entire internet is just the facebook app on their phone. So I suppose the ex-Twitter CEO and many MANY socmed runners are catering to this audience they've created!
I'm not too bothered by using multiple platforms for different things. I like separating different aspects of my life and personality :D I'm just too old and my knees hurt too much to be moving around constantly to whatever new thing people say is gonna explode and never does HAHA.
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9/11/22 23:18 (UTC)Apps have destroyed people's brains! You're right...Jack@twatter.cum is here reaping the harvest of the addiction he's created.
I get feeling too old to move around 9000 different places. I think for me I get stressed about learning the etiquette of different sites and just understanding the vibes. It's easier for me to revert to what I know instead, and I have a healthier relationship to blogging anyway (though I missed out on LJ, but Tunglr is close enough). Even though DW is pretty new to me, it just feels comfortable here.
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8/11/22 06:24 (UTC)I do think that I'll enjoy the slower pace of DreamWidth because it'll give me more time to actually enjoy creating and not feel like I have to be caught up in the content grind rat race. Most socials push this narrative of, "you NEED to post constantly to be noticed".
It's tiring.
It's exhausting.
Time to go back to my blogging roots. Maybe even dabble in drawing a scrunkly old man just for the hell of it.
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8/11/22 08:08 (UTC)But I'm excited to go back to my blogging roots! Except now I'm a grown ass adult so I won't be as awful to myself or others as I was when I was a stupid teen on Tumblr... I can blog RESPONSIBLY!!!
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8/11/22 16:15 (UTC)yeah, i enjoyed masto well enough when i was on it for some months back in 2016 or 2017, but imo discord provides a similar siloed mixed-media experience without making me miss twitter. it doesn't look the same so why would i expect it to function the same?
if twitter does go under one thing i will miss is how easy it made finding artists for commissions, like you discussed, but also how easy it made it to talk to people in different languages. i don't know how i'd get to chat with japanese artists otherwise because pixiv doesn't really have a commenting culture, and most of the people i follow now are too old to want to use something like pawoo, lol. pixiv also seems to have replaced personal sites with art logs for a lot of people. i don't know what it's like in, say, italy, but i get the impression they rely heavily on sites like facebook or insta which is basically just the same problem all over again....
personal sites in conjunction with whatever hubs are dominating the internet sounds like a great compromise, but i do kinda dread the day those language barriers are put back up (if it comes).
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8/11/22 19:58 (UTC)I've heard that a lot of Japanese artists actually moved away from pixiv to twitter a while back in like.. 2017? And pixiv is mostly used for art logs when they have posted like 50 pics to twitter. You're right that there's not really a comment culture on pixiv. I dunno how you'd organize something like your hellsing anthology without the international accessibility of twitter!
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9/11/22 14:50 (UTC)at least translation technologies are wayyy better than they used to be, lol, but i get the feeling that emailing people with comments or leaving guestbook notes or whatever just wouldn't lead to the same kind of casual conversation that develops into a collab. maybe twitter will be considered "too big to fail" lmao, as long as there's a critical mass of non-fascists on there. fingers crossed!
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10/11/22 04:54 (UTC)PLUS, they do NOT have a manual delete account ui built in the site. You need to email them, and even then (according to a friend) this is not guaranteed, as my friend instead got a reply of the staff giving him a link to another site. and i dont think people know this. this is sucky.
ive been trying to find different sites just incase twitters Verified Account Algorithm kicks in and its been rouuuugh. The only space ive found that im very very happy with is a server on Mastodon called Aethy.com It's like baraag (lax rules with art, complete freedom as long as nsfw + dead dove is tagged) BUT the creator also made it in mind for it to be free of hate speech and bigotry. Very very good. Plus, apparently the site is a more advanced Mastodon server with a super, duper long word count ( about 100000 ) and the admin is very nice n kind if you miss a tag! They literally just say "try ur best!" and will mark ur stuff as sensitive for u if somethings missing. They'll only take it seriously if ur obviously not tagging on purpose. I believe its a very good place for all artists (even writers!!!), esp who's work is more "problematic". Im very very happy finding that place
just the downside is that it seems to be ran by one admin, seems new (or at least life was recently blown back into it, and doesnt have a lot of people atm (but lots of ppl are moving here as ive noticed today!!) , and of course, its on a twitter-clone site.
Other than that, yeah this is a rly sucky thing and all these other sites are literally not fit for everybody at all (esp these indie sites who let their ant userbase eat them alive)
i hope bobaboard comes in soon with a beta.
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10/11/22 05:10 (UTC)Another minus for CoHost is that they currently allow minors to post "adult content". Which is freakin' strange because 1) minors cannot see "adult content" so 2) only adults are seeing "adult content" from minors. They may say that they're banning lolicon art to protect minors, but this is a case in which I do not think they have their convictions clear and their community does not seem to be making a stronger case AGAINST this. At least not as loud as their issue with anime cartoons.
Bobaboard is a really exciting project that I've been keeping track of! I even got to collab with them for their yaoi boards. Miss Boba has forms open for "realm interests", have you seen that?
https://twitter.com/BobaBoard/status/1587608786398609408?s=20&t=-ziNsUCuWh43vYzNmSY-BA
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10/11/22 05:45 (UTC)what kind of UI is that. And of course, pressing the 18+ button allows you to see the post no problem like its a porn site. Its so easy for them to see adult content. So what is the point of even logging in??
Plus with their lolicon issue, according to their TOS, it seems like they are very aware of how the US law works in regards to CSEM, even going as far as to list the stuff about real minors being dealt in fiction. So if their aware of what and how the US classifies something as actual CSEM or not, then what is the issue with cub and lolisho? They're distinguishable from real minors (unlike the stuff you might see on baraag) but ayayayaya of course they don't care. of course their community cares more about that rather than faulty protection for adults and their work. Its always this kinda pattern.
Also, yeah, a bit ago i saw the admin seemingly having some weird server issues. I was just on it a minute ago but ig its down for signups. Highly recommend making an acc once its back up tho! And youre welcome!!
I also haven't heard abt realm interests. Im silly so i kinda dont understand all the stuff on their site n what it means but ill totally check that out. Thank you!!!
edit: signed up for realm interest immediately. im very excited :3
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10/11/22 07:59 (UTC)I would just make the site "adult only" at that point to not have to deal with 16 yr olds and pornographers posting in the same place. Especially since their monetization plan has to do with making a patreon-like thing for artists, and charing for subscriptions? If a large goal is handling money, a lot of kids won't be able to use those services anyways.
A lot of the Bobaboard vocabulary is sorta hard to grasp. I only now kinda grasp the concept of Boba realms because of all the talk about Mastodon (a realm would be similar to an instance... or a *chan board that you operate!). But if you have any questions at all, Miss Boba is very open to answering questions especially about the trickier tech stuff if ya reply to their twitter or send a tumblr ask!
https://essential-randomness.tumblr.com
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10/11/22 14:00 (UTC)also oooh. Thanks for the claification. That makes sense. Funny lil mastodon-like servers Ty!!!
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10/11/22 21:31 (UTC)another possible negative point against cohost: the way they handle deleted accounts don't fill me with confidence. briefly created an account a month ago, within the week there was the lolisho controversy. I sent them an email stating i'd like for them to delete my account because, like you, while lolisho isn't what I draw, there's a very strong crossover of those who go after dead dove creators. the only email response I got was 'we'll add you to the list of those who want their accounts deleted'. May ping them again in 3 months to see if they actually follow through.
very briefly also thought about telegram channels for art but apparently it lets everyone in your phone contacts list know you're on there which was a moment of real panic for me when I was signing on with this handle until i deleted it :l partially on me for not using a burner number (eugh) but still, 0/10 experience.
(ps - i keep intending to reply to your delightful email, but working on the current zine deadlines keep getting in my way ;) wonderful to see you here tho.)
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11/11/22 00:13 (UTC)I'm not sure why cohost needs you to manually email them and wait for them to delete your account? Is there some sort of tech thing in the way that prevents them from just.. letting users delete? Hmph. I don't suppose they're trying to inflate numbers of users. Man and the thing with telegram telling your phones contact list is LOL. Do not want!!! It's bad enough I need a number to sign up for any major website nowadays!
Don't worry too much about replying to emails, I get the same thing where if I don't reply to an email within 48 hours the rest of my life takes over and I can never reply to the same thread again! New threads shall be made!