Turtle window pops under the terminal on OSX

[abalkin]

BPO	11571
Nosy	@rhettinger, @ronaldoussoren, @abalkin, @ned-deily, @msabramo
Dependencies	bpo-9384: Tkinter windows pop under the terminal in OSX
Files	issue-11571.txt issue11571.patch

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assignee = None
closed_at = <Date 2013-07-31.22:51:26.023>
created_at = <Date 2011-03-16.14:57:30.080>
labels = ['OS-mac', 'type-bug', 'library']
title = 'Turtle window pops under the terminal on OSX'
updated_at = <Date 2014-08-24.01:02:58.566>
user = 'https://github.com/abalkin'

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activity = <Date 2014-08-24.01:02:58.566>
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closed_date = <Date 2013-07-31.22:51:26.023>
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creation = <Date 2011-03-16.14:57:30.080>
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priority = 'normal'
resolution = 'fixed'
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url = 'https://bugs.python.org/issue11571'
versions = ['Python 3.4', 'Python 3.5']

[abalkin]

If you have a large enough terminal window and run

$ python -m turtle

on OSX, you will see nothing because turtle screen pops under the terminal.

Ned Deily suggested in msg130421 that this can be fixed by setting "-topmost" WM attribute on the root window. However, if you apply the following patch:

diff -r 71b182134853 Lib/turtle.py
--- a/Lib/turtle.py	Wed Mar 16 09:44:26 2011 -0400
+++ b/Lib/turtle.py	Wed Mar 16 10:49:22 2011 -0400
@@ -993,6 +993,7 @@
         self._colormode = _CFG["colormode"]
         self._keys = []
         self.clear()
+        cv._rootwindow.call('wm', 'attributes', '.', '-topmost', '1')
 
     def clear(self):
         """Delete all drawings and all turtles from the TurtleScreen.

The result is that turtle window stays on top even if you shift focus back to the terminal.

The correct behavior would be for the turtle screen to pop on top, ideally without receiving the focus, but allow users to obscure it with another window if they wish.

[ronaldoussoren]

The attached patch forces the window to the front by first making the window a topmost window and then resetting that flag.

Could you test if this does want you'd like it to?

(The patch is for 3.3, will backport upto 2.7 when the behavior is correct)

[abalkin]

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Ronald Oussoren
<report@bugs.python.org> wrote:
..

The attached patch forces the window to the front by first making the window
a topmost window and then resetting that flag.

Could you test if this does want you'd like it to?

Yes, this works. Nice trick - did not think of it.

I don't use idle, but someone should test that this works when turtle
is used by idle. It works fine when I start idle from command line
(in which case idle itself pops under the terminal), but I understand
that most users start idle from Finder or the Dock and I don't have
that set up.

A nit-pick: in the current turtle code module imports and from module
imports are visually separated. Consider moving "import sys" below
"import inspect".

[ned-deily]

Looks good to me. I tested on OS X with both Tk 8.5 on 10.6 and Tk 8.4 on 10.5. The demo runs fine under IDLE.app and bin/idle3. If no objections, I'll commit the patch with the nit addressed.

[ronaldoussoren]

+1 on applying the patch.

I can do so on Sunday but feel to apply the patch before that.

[abalkin]

While you are at it, can you also fix the same issue with "python -m tkinter"?

[abalkin]

.. and "python -m turtledemo"?

[ronaldoussoren]

On 07 Apr, 2011,at 07:03 PM, Alexander Belopolsky <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:

Alexander Belopolsky <belopolsky@users.sourceforge.net> added the comment:

While you are at it, can you also fix the same issue with "python -m tkinter"?
 
Sure, I can add a hack to that module as well.

Ronald

[msabramo]

I wonder if this could be applied at some lower level in TkInter, because this bug happens with every Tk app -- e.g.: turtle, idle, web2py

[ned-deily]

Marc, it could although that would be a change in behavior that possibly might not be desired by all tkinter apps. Perhaps the thing to do is add an optional "topmost" argument to tkinter.Tk() with the default value being True.

[ronaldoussoren]

I'm revisiting some old issues, and while I don't mind adding workarounds to the various scripts I do not consider this to be a bug. This is unexpected behavior from the platform, and only affects running scripts from the command-line (bundling the script in an app bundle would result in a window that pops up in front when the app is launched).

I'm unassigning the issue because I'm no longer interested in working on this.