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Heads up, Americans! Ever wonder why human feces are not used as fertilizer in agriculture? You're about to find out!
ALERT: Stop eating raw leafy greens, herbs, berries, snow peas, and scallions. Maybe other produce. Adequately cooked is fine. More details below.
The Situation: a Nationwide Outbreak of Cyclosporiasis
The US is having a exploding epidemic of cyclosporiasis.
A typical outbreak of cyclosporiasis in the US is usually numbered in the dozens of vicitms, and usually in a tight geographical area, or maybe some adjacent states. As of the last 36 hours, there are now more than 1,500 cases in Michigan,nearly 400 cases in New York (mostly NYC), more than 300 cases in Ohio, and cases spread across thirty one states and counting, including Alaska. (Yes, including Massachusetts.) Case counts have been skyrocketing over the last 72 hours, and the CDC's surveillance page is lagging behind the evening news.
Cyclosporiasis is a food-borne illness caused by a parasite. Cyclosporiasis is not usually fatal, but it causes pretty debilitating lower gastrointestinal illness, primarily "explosive diarrhea", which can last for weeks, even months untreated, and for some few unlucky bastards requires hospitalization. Right now 44 people are hospitalized in Michigan, the hardest hit state so far, as well as others in other states.
The Infectious Agent: Cyclospora cayetanensis
Cyclosporiasis is caused by the parasite Cyclospora cayetanensis (C. cayetanensis, or Cyclospora for short). It is a protozoa, which is a unicellular organism.
Cyclospora is transmitted through the oral-fecal route, and usually infects humans through vegetables contaminated by human feces, presumably through contact with contaminated fertilizer or irrigation, or from a sewage leak or infected workers relieving themselves in the fields.
(It can also be transmitted through contaminated drinking water, which seems unlikely in this case.)
Cyclospora infects the gastrointestinal tract and transmits through its oocysts, which are analogous to eggs, which are shed by infected individuals in their feces. Oocysts are not immediately infectious [CDC]:
the oocysts shed in the feces of infected persons must mature (sporulate) outside the host, in the environment, to become infective for someone else. This process is thought to require at least 1 – 2 weeks in favorable environmental conditions.Because of this, it is believed that human-to-human transmission is rare or impossible. If so, this is unlike norovirus, which is also notoriously spread by the oral-fecal route and is enormously contagious. Caring for someone with cyclosporiasis should not be particularly risky. That said, the Amerian Medical Association is saying:
Hand hygiene, especially after toileting, changing diapers or caring for someone who is ill, can prevent the spread of Cyclosporadespite them repeating what the CDC said about sporulation; it's not clear that hand hygiene does prevent the spread of Cyclospora (read on), but obviously it's still a good idea for other reasons.
The present situation is complexified by the fact that Cyclospora is unusually hard to track, even when one is trying, which arguably, with federal changes to food safety and infectious disease tracking, we weren't really. Even under the older, more competent CDC, it was actually apparently unusual to manage to figure out conclusively what it was that infected people ate that was contaminated with Cyclospora. The official CDC list of outbreaks 2000-2017 (archive.org because yeah that seems to have gotten taken down in the last six days) is liberally sprinkled with "(suspected)" and "(likely)".
Things that make it hard to track include:
- The incubation period ranges from two days to two weeks, with an average of a week. It's hard for people to remember what they ate a week ago and where they got it. This makes contact tracing really, really hard.
- Apparently testing for it on food is quite challenging. The infective dose is apparently very, very low. One source I saw said it's only 12 oocysts – that's 12 individual cells spread over the whole surface of, say, a leaf of lettuce. You can see how any swab based test might easily not pick up anything at all, failing to hit the individual oocysts, and even if it does, that's not a strong signal to pick up on. Apparently there's been some recent developments in testing which may help, but I'm not sure how widely available they are.
- It can be tested for in humans by PRC test of their feces, but it is not routinely tested for. Part of what is happening right now with case numbers is that patients presenting with diarrheaic illness are belatedly being tested in light of the information that cyclosporiasis is more likely than usually believed. The CDC is advising physicians to entertain cyclosporiasis as a diagnostic possibility in such cases and that they will need to request cyclosporiasis testing specifically when writing orders. That said, I just saw a comment from a Redditor with a presumed case in Michigan that they were told at the urgent care they went to that they're now out of tests.
- That said, there's a false negative problem with testing the feces of someone with severe diarrhea: infected people may only pass oocysts episodically, as their bodies attempt to flush out the infection.
- I've also heard it said, and I don't know this is true, that because protozoa can reproduce sexually, their genetics are much less stable than those of viruses and bacteria, which in turn makes it harder to track lineages.
Historically (according to the CDC), most cyclosporiasis cases were in travelers who became infected from eating contaminated food abroad and then only came down with cyclosporiasis upon arrival in the US. That is clearly not the case with the present outbreak.
The Food Vehicles
No specific food has yet been identified as the culprit in the current outbreak. As per that list of previous US cyclosporiasis outbreaks, the usual suspects for foods responsible are basil, cilantro, raspberries, blackberries, snow peas, lettuce, bagged salad mix, and scallions (aka green onions). Also suspected are carrots and cabbage.
That said, there's a first time for everything, and it's not clear that is a comprehensive list of what Cyclospora can be transmitted by.
Cooking to 158ºF (70°C) kills Cyclospora, rendering produce contaminated with Cyclospora safe to eat.
A thing all those vegetables have in common is that they are commonly eaten raw. That may be why they have been vehicles of cyclosporiasis outbreaks in the past and other vegetables are not.
The current advice is to avoid eating any of those foods raw.
Note that pesto (basil), pico de gallo (cilantro), and cole slaw (cabbage and carrots) are typically made of raw ingredients; it is common for prepared potato salad to have scallions in it. Sometimes ice cream, gelato, and sorbet are made from fresh (raw) berries.
The Massachusetts Dept of Public Health says that peeled produce is probably fine.
The really bad news is that:
1) Cyclospora is really hard (or maybe impossible) to kill by usual sanitization methods, and
2) We only have identified one antibiotic that works on it.
Prevention
There is a bunch of "helpful" advice out there allegedly to protect yourself from Cyclospora, from a variety of health authorities including the CDC, which I can't help but notice seems to be at odds with the actual science we have, even the science the same health authorities are promulgating.
For instance, there's suggestions that scrubbing vegetables might helpfully get rid of at least some of the cyclospora and reduce the infectious load, but the FDA reports:
Although it’s unknown exactly how food and water become infected with Cyclospora, people should be aware that rinsing or washing food is not likely to remove it.The CDC says, well... the CDC has a page about cyclosporiasis for the general public on which it says, under the "Prevention tips":
People can take the following food and vegetable handling recommendations to prevent foodborne illness related to fresh produce"To prevent foodborne illness related to fresh produce" seems to be indicating that, despite this being a page about cyclosporiasis, this is general-purpose advice about avoiding foodborne illness related to fresh produce, and not actually information about what prevents cyclosporiasis, This does look like them weaseling.
That said, what they say is:
Wash hands with soap and water before and after handling or preparing raw fruits and vegetables.I have no idea if any of that is effective or helpful for preventing cyclosporiasis. I absolutely do not think these are adequate to make safe contaminated foods. PBS is telling people to wash their cilantro and basil and buy whole heads of lettuce (instead of salad kits with pre-chopped lettuce), which strikes me as recklessly baseless advice. I get the impression there's no real way to wash a leaf of lettuce to make it safe: it has to just never get Cyclospora or other infectious contaminant on it in the first place.
Wash all fruits and vegetables thoroughly under running water before eating, cutting, or cooking.
Fruits and vegetables that are labeled "prewashed" do not need to be washed again at home.
Scrub firm fruits and vegetables, such as melons and cucumbers, with a clean produce brush.
Cut away any damaged or bruised areas on fruits and vegetables before preparing and eating.
Refrigerate cut, peeled, or cooked fruits and vegetables as soon as possible (within two hours).
Regarding disinifction and other infection control, the FDA (ibid) says:
What Do Restaurants and Retailers Need to Do?Nevertheless, they also say, right below that:
Based on current information available Cyclospora may be resistant to routine chemical disinfection methods such as those using chlorine. However, restaurants and retailers should still follow basic food safety practices
What do Consumers Need to Do?Yeah I don't know what the fomite transmission risk is. More concerning from my reading, I don't know that anybody else does either. If you get contaminated raspberries that don't leak outside their container, do they contaminate your fridge? I don't know if we know.
Consumers should follow these steps:
- Wash the inside walls and shelves of the refrigerator, cutting boards and countertops; then sanitize them with a solution of one tablespoon of chlorine bleach to one gallon of hot water; dry with a clean cloth or paper towel that has not been previously used.
- Wash hands with warm water and soap for at least 20 seconds before and after handling food.
- Wipe up spills in the refrigerator immediately and clean the refrigerator regularly.
- Always wash hands with hot, soapy water following the cleaning and sanitization process.
- Persons who think they might have become ill from eating potentially contaminated foods should consult their health care provider.
The FDA has an even more informative webpage for farmers, which says:
Cyclosporiasis is also endemic, or commonly found among, certain populations around the world[1], and was previously thought to occur only in produce grown in those regions. However, recent sample findings and outbreak investigations indicate domestic sources of C. cayetanensis. In July 2019, FDA found the first confirmed evidence of the presence of C. cayetanensis in two samples of domestically grown cilantro, and also related to outbreak cases.I think this last means, "we don't really have a Cyclospora test for produce, so maybe test for E. coli as a proxy?", but I am uncertain.
[...]
Under experimental conditions, a combination of time and temperature (temperatures from 73° to 77°F for 7 – 15 days)[2] were required for C. cayetanensis [oocysts] to become infectious.
[...]
Although clinical testing for the parasite in human feces has been available since the 1970s, FDA recently improved the method for the detection of this parasite on some fresh fruits and vegetables. Traditional microbial testing (such as for fecal indicators like generic E. coli or fecal coliforms) will not identify the presence of C. cayetanensis but may help identify poor water quality, which may also be an indicator of human fecal contamination.
It is possible that municipal wastewater treatments may render C. cayetanensis inactive, however, some conflicting evidence also suggests that C. cayetanensis may remain viable even after wastewater is treated. Currently, little conclusive data exists on whether municipal water treatments are effective against C. cayetanensis.
Although chlorine and other antimicrobial chemical treatments are effective at reducing harmful populations of bacteria and viruses, they are not considered effective on C. cayetanensis. In countries/regions where cyclosporiasis is endemic, microfiltration, ozone, or UV treatments may be necessary to effectively decrease populations of C. cayetanensis in irrigation waters.
The Disease
The following is mostly from the CDC page for medical professionals about cyclosporiasis. I recommend it highly to you, at least until the CDC is found to be fucking up about this one too and a more reliable source of info is identified. You do not need to be a medical professional to read it. It's a free country and an open internet. Help yourself.
Presentation
How the disease presents:
Cyclospora infects the small intestine and typically causes watery diarrhea with frequent, sometimes explosive, bowel movements.Also:
[...additional obvious symptoms elided...]
If untreated, the illness may last for a few days to a month or longer and may follow a remitting-relapsing course. Although cyclosporiasis usually is not life threatening, reported complications have included malabsorption, cholecystitis, and reactive arthritis.
Some infected persons are asymptomatic, particularly in settings where cyclosporiasis is endemic. Among symptomatic persons, the incubation period averages one week (ranging as soon as 2 days – 2 weeks or more).
Diagnosis
The CDC tells physicians:
Healthcare providers should consider Cyclospora as a potential cause of prolonged diarrheal illness [...]Also:
Ova and parasite testing of stool for Cyclospora requires special stains or other laboratory procedures that are not routinely conducted in most U.S. laboratories.
Similarly, not all gastrointestinal polymerase chain reaction (PCR) panels include a target for Cyclospora. Therefore, when evaluating persons with symptoms consistent with cyclosporiasis, specifically request testing for this parasite. If indicated, stool specimens should also be checked for other microbes that can cause a similar illness.
Diagnosis can be difficult in part because patients who are symptomatic might not shed enough oocysts in their stool to be readily detectable by laboratory examinations. Therefore, patients might need to submit several specimens collected on different days.
Treatment
From the CDC [ibid]:
Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole (TMP-SMX), (sold as Bactrim,* Septra,* or Cotrim*) is the treatment of choice. The typical regimen for immunocompetent adults is:That links to this: Clinical Care of Cyclosporiasis, which says:
- TMP 160 mg plus SMX 800 mg (one double-strength tablet), orally, twice a day, for 7 – 10 days. People living with HIV may need longer courses of therapy.
No highly effective alternatives have been identified yet for persons who are allergic to (or are intolerant of) TMP-SMX. Approaches to consider for such persons include observation and symptomatic treatment, use of an antibiotic whose effectiveness against Cyclospora is based on limited data, or desensitization to TMP-SMX. The latter approach should be considered only for selected patients who require treatment, have been evaluated by an allergist, and do not have a life-threatening allergy.
Anecdotal or unpublished data suggest that the following drugs are ineffective:
- Albendazole
- Azithromycin
- Diloxanide furoate
- Doxycycline
- Metronidazole
- Nalidixic acid
- Quinacrine
- Tetracycline
- Tinidazole
- Trimethoprim (when used as a single agent)
Although data from a small study among people living with HIV in Haiti suggested that ciprofloxacin might have modest activity against Cyclospora, substantial anecdotal experience among many immunocompetent persons suggests that ciprofloxacin is ineffective.
[...]
Treatment in Pregnancy
Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole (TMP-SMX) is a pregnancy category C drug. TMP-SMX should be used during pregnancy only if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk to the fetus. TMP-SMX should be avoided near-term because of the potential for hyperbilirubinemia and kernicterus in the newborn.
Pregnancy Category C: Either studies in animals have revealed adverse effects on the fetus (teratogenic or embryocidal, or other) and there are no controlled studies in women or studies in women and animals are not available. Drugs should be given only if the potential benefit justifies the potential risk to the fetus.
Treatment During Lactation
Trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole (TMP-SMX) is excreted in breast milk. TMP-SMX generally is compatible with breastfeeding of healthy, full-term infants after the newborn period. However, TMP-SMX generally should be avoided by women when nursing infants who are premature, jaundiced, ill, or stressed, or who have glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase deficiency.
Treatment in Pediatric Patients
The safety of trimethoprim-sulfamethoxazole (TMP-SMX) in children has not been systematically evaluated. Use in children less than 2 months of age generally is not recommended.
Some Thoughts and Observations
So what should we do? Here's my thinking on it:
- Given the massive geographical distribution of cases in our present outbreak in th US, it sure looks like the problem is some commercial outfit that delivers the contaminated product nationwide.
That suggests a way for those who want to eat raw produce to attempt to avoid a month-long trip the the bathroom: avoid eating raw produce which is distributed nationally, buy locally grown produce from small farms.
That said, Mr. B. hit up the farmers market this week, and there were already substantial lines for the lettuce. This is an idea a lot of people are going to have. Expect prices to go up with demand.
If fresh raw produce is important to you, maybe see if it's not too late to sign up for a CSA. - Almost all the advice I've seen in the media and from health authorities has been about the consumer buying groceries and preparing food in their home. But it is possible that this has nothing to do with the grocery supply chain, and the contaminated food is being served by a restaurant chain or by restaurants that all use the same produce distributor. Earlier this week, some Taco Bell locations started posting signs that they were no longer serving "Lettuce, Cilantro Onion, Pico de Gallo, and Guacamole due to a nationwide recall." I don't know if they know something we don't, or if it's just an abundance of caution. Likewise, I was pointed at this discussion on Reddit's r/Michigan for people who have caught it to report what and where they ate raw produce, and it's got a lot of people in it pointing fingers at fast food, take-out, and dine-in restaurants.
In any event, if the problem is in the, say, cilantro, it doens't stop being in the cilantro when the cilantro is in the enchilada plate you bought at a restaurant. You might want to make a point of thinking about what you order when you go out to eat or have delivery or catering.
Speaking as someone who regularly tries to get restaurant staff to not put cilantro in my food: it may not be possible to police your plate in a restaurant. Maybe one of the things you want to do is avoid restaurant dining, unless the restaurant is explicitly taking measures not to be serving raw produce in the suspect categories. - Obviously, produce you grow yourself is safe from cyclosporiasis, assuming you are not doing something deeply unwise with sewage, and that there's nothing wrong with your water supply.
- Boy, I hope we're right about what the possible type of produce is. There's a first time for everything.
- The history of cyclosporiasis outbreaks in the US and elsewhere seems to be linked to three sorts of foods: berries; leafy vegetables (including scallions and herbs) that grow low to the ground; and snow peas.
I don't know what to make of the snow peas. The common theory about the berries is that they're hard to wash. That assumes that Cyclospora oocysts can be washed off other produce, and that washing therefore makes a difference, and, as I explained above, that's not at all established given what we know about sanitization of Cyclospora, though it is certainly possible.
But the thing about low-growing leafy veggies: there's lots and lots of other things in that category than those already mentioned. Given the scale of the outbreak, it's unlikely the culprit is a comparatively uncommon or unpopular food. For instance, fresh mint is a low-growing leaf. If Cyclospora oocysts got on it, it would be pretty impossible to wash. But there's just not that many people out there eating raw mint leaves in the US. Likewise, raw spinach and raw kale are reasonably commonly eaten, but much less commonly than raw lettuce, cilantro, basil, and cabbage. It's probably one of those – but we don't actually know that.
Raw asparagus has, iirc, been indicted in an outbreak, but I don't think it's popular enough to explain this one. Celery is a low-growing vegetable that is eaten raw – it's used as a raw ingredient in tuna, chicken, and potato salad, all popular cold dishes this time of year – but maybe not commonly enough to explain this, and it shows up on nobody's list of candidates, for I know not what reason.
I suppose the question of what grocery store/restaurant produce you avoid comes down to your appetite for risk.
Personally, I pitched all my lettuce but will be finishing eating my current supply of grocery store berries, then only replacing them with locally grown or going without. I read the label on the two pounds of potato salad I bought a few days ago and discovered it has scallions in it, so it went out in the trash.
I am planning on continuing to eat raw tomatoes and peppers from the grocery store, though I am hoping the tomatoes Mr. B has been growing will ripen soon so I can swap to eating home-grown.
I am thinking that fresh peaches and grapes are likely okay – nobody has indicated that they're a likely candidate – but I don't know if I want to take the risk. - I recommend paying attention to the fact of that week-long (or more) incubation period. We're not used to thinking of food-borne illnesses working like that. You cannot offer to be the poison taster for a more vulnerable person and tell them the next day you didn't get sick so it must be fine. You cannot assume that if you ate some yesterday and didn't get sick it's fine for you to eat more of it.
- Folks on Reddit pointed out now is an excellent time to stock up on toilet paper or get a bidet. Likewise, if this outbreak continues to grow, remedies for the soreness of diarrhea may also become hard to source.
Finally, if you want some further reading on Cyclospora and cyclosporiasis, you might want to check out:
- 2024 Mar 20: preprints.org [pre-print server, academic articles not yet peer reviewed]: "Protozoan Infections Acquired from Food or Drinking Water: An Update" by Franca Rossi, Carmela Amadoro , et al.
- 2023 Jun 23: Microorganisms [peer reviewed scientific journal]: "Cyclospora cayetanensis: A Perspective (2020–2023) with Emphasis on Epidemiology and Detection Methods" by by Sonia Almeria, Leonor Chacin-Bonilla, et al.
That latter article is but one article in a whole special issue of Microorganisms wholly dedicated to Cyclospora cayetanensis and Cyclosporiasis.
P.S. One of the best sources I've found for breaking news about this as well as other infectious disease outbreaks is Reddit's r/ContagionCuriosity where there's a Megathread for this outbreak. As always, Your Local Epidemiologist is good for commentary on public health.
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Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 09:51 am (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 12:53 pm (UTC)What I remember from 4H is that it absolutely CANNOT be washed off produce because it often gets in produce via water uptake into the produce. The presumed means of spread is fecal matter in the fields, water flows over it, water is absorbed into the plant carrying spores, and spores are concentrated in the leaves when the water evaporates away as part of transpiration, the ~pump mechanism plants use to draw up water.
This is also why it's hard to test vegetables; an effective test requires turning the vegetable into slurry and then testing for a really low concentration of spores in the slurry. ("really low" because non-leafy vegetables can get a much lower but still infectious concentration compared to leaves that are doing the transpiration and thus have a higher water flow-through rate. (Which gives me some suspicions about snow pea pea-pods and transpiration, but I absolutely don't know.) The life cycle is assumed to have evolved to infect folivores, and the "gets to infectious thresholds in things like herbs or lettuce" pattern seems to support that.)
The advice at that time summarized as "eat nothing you haven't pressure cooked"; unless you successfully completed old-school[1] medical training about hand washing which you have stuck to religiously, it's really unlikely you wash your hands well enough to prevent all hands-to-food transmission risk.
Now, 4H was a long time ago and knowledge increases, so any or all of this could be out of date, that polite way of saying "in error".
[1] VERY old school, pre-antibiotics more than pre-AIDS and habitual gloving to interact with patients.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 06:39 pm (UTC)You probably don''t really want to eat lettuce treated that way, but I'm currently not worrying about green leafies I eat cooked: spinach, kale, chard, collards, mustard greens, etc. etc. Maybe be careful about really gentle cooking, e.g. folding raw spinach into an omelet, then coking just long enough for the eggs to set.
But what a PITA as we go into the summer, when I'd much rather be eating salad than stew.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 09:59 pm (UTC)Nobody currently is suggesting pressure cooking is necessary. The Evidence Collective is saying "158F for 15 minutes or 140F for 60 minutes" (click through to the PDF brief at the bottom). It sounds like that advice is outdated.
>But what a PITA as we go into the summer, when I'd much rather be eating salad than stew.
I had just gotten SO attached to bag lettuce. :(
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 12:23 am (UTC)https://teach.genetics.utah.edu/content/microbiology/liquids/
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 12:47 am (UTC)When I was in high school (so take this with a grain of salt) a science teacher said mold spores are so resistant to destruction, they were the nightmare scenario guiding the development of NASA's contamination control measures for returning astronauts for the moon missions. They didn't expect to find life up there, but just in case they planned for the worst case scenario, which was something like mold spores.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 03:30 am (UTC)However, looking up the right word just says that they are spores, or spore-like[2], so. Basically: kill it with fire. Really hot fire.
[1] - if I misread something, I need to disengage with the material for a minimum 24 hrs, or I just go on seeing what I originally saw. Ask me how well that works with mathy things.
[2] - sporulated oocysts, or sporogonic oocysts
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 10:07 pm (UTC)"The advice at that time" = 1970s advice from people who remembered cholera and smallpox and no antibiotics. Their version of the precautionary principle biased heavily towards "for sure" rather than "ought to be sufficient".
(Think of the difference between the modern "irrigate the wound with sterile water" and the "apply iodine; apply iodine again" approaches to managing minor cuts.)
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 08:40 pm (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-14 10:45 am (UTC)As anybody who remembers film-based Xrays can tell you, the art advances.
There's also been a whole lot of "make this cheaper" pressure, and it's sometimes very tough to tell what's the art advancing and what's a refusal to spend the money.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-14 08:23 am (UTC)I can't tell if you're saying you got this advice in the 1970s, or something a bit different ... but Cyclospora wasn't really known until the 1980s-90s, so if this advice is from the 1970s it must have been tailored to a different pathogen.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-14 10:42 am (UTC)My interaction with 4H was entirely in the 1970s, and I'm remembering this as something from a 4H vet club, so yes; that would have to be for something different.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 08:35 pm (UTC)it absolutely CANNOT be washed off produce because it often gets in produce via water uptake into the produce.
Well, there goes my plan to peel the peppers and tomatoes.
Do you know why pressure-cooking is required, rather than regular cooking? We looked at the news and changed part of tonight's menu from green salad to steamed green beans.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 10:00 pm (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 10:22 pm (UTC)I wouldn't claim pressure cooking is required; "the advice at that time" is just that, and it was coming from people who were more into preventative approaches because their diagnostic and treatment options were much more limited than the ones we have today. (Simple cheap bimetallic food thermometers were not a thing at that time, for example. It makes it hard to give temperature-based instructions.)
In regions where night soil was used as fertilizer, I've seen it alleged that the historical rule about food is that one never ever ate anything raw; pickled or parboiled at a minimum. The "nothing raw" part of that might not be a bad approach under the present circumstances, at least as far as purchased produce goes.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 09:52 pm (UTC)FASCINATING. That sounds very plausible – but, that said, nothing I've read mentions this possibility, and I have other information that suggests it's unlikely this has been scientifically established and also, if that were simply true, then I'd expect we'd be getting a different profile on what produce it concentrates in, namely that very juicy fruits like oranges and watermelon would have the highest concentration of oocysts.
From that Microorganisms review article:
> The life cycle is assumed to have evolved to infect folivores
That assumes they infect folivores and we don't have evidence it does. From the same paper: So it's possible, but we don't know that.
It's definitely a good hypothesis to keep in mind, and I super appreciate your mentioning it.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 10:14 pm (UTC)As I recall (and, again, this was a long time ago!) it was more "this is a human-specific parasite but it's hard to explain it because we didn't get sedentary until too recently for this life cycle to make sense; we think we got it from a hominid that ate a lot more leaves than we do". (And there were probably more members of the lineage if you had a time machine and could check Paranthropus for parasites.)
This was in a context of a Vet Club, not a Gardening Club, and it was also in a context of a vet who was fascinated by the evolutionary relationships of parasites almost always, but not always-always, matching the evolutionary relationships of their hosts.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 03:19 pm (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 10:03 pm (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 10:24 pm (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 01:07 am (UTC)If this is correct, it creates an expectation that the problem won't go away until the revolution comes.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 01:44 am (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 04:10 am (UTC)OTOH, given the state of federal oversight these days, and the sheer number of cases in the current outbreak, I wouldn't be surprised if it was something larger scale like a farmer who is irrigating from a well contaminated by a nearby septic system.
And then there's contamination in the processing stage, which Taber doesn't consider - a factory producing bags of shredded lettuce or what have you that had some part of its machinery contaminated (combine one worker who should have been given paid sick time off with the factory not doing the cleaning and sanitation they should) could give rise to thousands of cases quite easily.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 07:36 am (UTC)No, I don't think it is. The first place you look is your water supply for however you're irrigating your crops. Also flood events.
There is a massive blindspot where sewage infrastructure is concerned. The first thing to suspect is a leak in a sewer line or a fault in a septic system, sending untreated human waste into the water source. Floods are also notorious for breaching sewage systems and sending sewage where it doesn't belong.
This is especially true given the scale of contamination implied here.
These are the typical ways human feces get where they don't belong.
Another possibility is that fertilizer that was used was contaminated (possibly adulterated) with unsanitized human waste.
Assuming it must have been the farm workers is... a rather blamey premature conclusion to take.
> And then there's contamination in the processing stage, which Taber doesn't consider - a factory producing bags of shredded lettuce or what have you that had some part of its machinery contaminated (combine one worker who should have been given paid sick time off with the factory not doing the cleaning and sanitation they should) could give rise to thousands of cases quite easily.
Or, ironically, in the water used to wash the produce in the processing plant.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 03:53 pm (UTC)Passing the info along...
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 08:31 pm (UTC)Thank you for compiling this. And thanks for the restaurant clue, particularly with the long incubation time -- I'd been thinking that with most of my leafy produce coming from my garden or my CSA I'm probably ok, but that's only for meals at home and some of the problematic items are very widely used. Oof.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-12 11:15 pm (UTC)Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 01:15 am (UTC)What I don't know is about commercial jarring--I have a sealed jar of cornichon pickles obtained from Trader Joe's; I can't figure out if that should be safe.
(My existing health issues are helpful in risk reduction here; except for the berries I already can't have a lot of the things on the risk list and I don't eat out much. Frozen broccoli florets take well to baking. Berries... shall also have to be baked, I suppose.)
I also have a fridge shared with several other people whose behavior I cannot exert influence over to that degree, so if it does contaminate one's fridge I have a potential problem.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 02:00 am (UTC)Per https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/parasite-united-states-canada-illness-9.7263481, Freezing fruit can reduce the parasite, he said, but there is no guarantee it will eliminate it.
(The University of Guelph is significantly about agriculture. Quote is from a food inspector there.)
I would regretfully suggest one must assume that the fridge, once contaminated, remains a problem until decontaminated.
Pickles is a tough one; there doesn't seem to be a well-supported assertion either way about the efficacy of vinegar.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 02:57 am (UTC)That article definitely seems more interested in being accurate than the American papers-- they're not messing around with "but wash your food anyway"; they're just straight-up "If you're going to the US only eat cooked fruits and vegetables or stuff that's peeled."
Now I'm wondering about freeze-drying. (As an intellectual exercise; it's not a regular part of my diet.) Logically it seems like if freezing doesn't work than neither should freeze-drying.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 03:14 am (UTC)The jars are intended to be sterile (though not necessarily by heat) but if the cucumbers have spores prior to pickling they might manage to keep them?
I wouldn't expect free-drying to reliably kill spores; it's more or less what spores are trying to survive, being cold and dry all winter.
I find myself wondering about gamma irradiation like many of the "boil in the foil" food pouches, too. One might think someone checked this back in the day but they might have supposed they didn't need to, no need to worry about killing organisms that wouldn't be in the ingredients.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 05:03 am (UTC)This is from 2001: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0362028X22018518/pdf?md5=f7a6714c23fcca13863205e4b6963b47&pid=1-s2.0-S0362028X22018518-main.pdf
This one is from 2010 and mentions gamma irradiation briefly near the end in the "control" section: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2806662/pdf/0026-09.pdf
Apparently it depends considerably on how hard you irradiate it. (Also mentions that microwaves can reduce it but not completely eliminate it, which is interesting, and hydrostatic pressure can also reduce but not eliminate, which I didn't even know you could use for food safety, and they seem to think freezing can kill it? I need to dig into these more when it's not past midnight.)
(Edit: the 2001 article thought freezing should kill it and by 2010 they've realized cyclospora might be more resilient than other things in the same category or that raspberries are specially infective.)
(Also found an "in mice!" about using "silver nanoparticles" to treat cyclospora, but given that as of 2019 it was "in mice!" it probably hasn't made it to humans yet.)
(You've activated my librarian trap card and I'm now wandering down a hole of cyclospora research papers.)
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-13 03:59 pm (UTC)It'd be interesting if someone has tested a broad range of raspberry relatives—blackberries, etc.—to see if they're all like that or if raspberries particularly provide robust habitat.
A few years ago now someone who was doing fomite persistence studies found a norovirus that could be demonstrated to survive on top of a picnic table without shade in Death Valley for all of August. A lot of these things are much harder to kill then we'd best prefer.
If they get the silver nanoparticles working in humans, on the one hand yay!; that's the kind of thing where evolving resistance is much less likely. On the other hand, the colloidal silver lunatics would be emboldened.
Re: Comment Catcher: Cyclosporiasis
Date: 2026-07-17 01:45 am (UTC)Holy Smoking Banana Peels.
Thank you ... I think.
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Date: 2026-07-13 02:12 am (UTC)I generally don't need info that is super-new, so it suffices for my purposes. It's good there are easy sources for super-new.