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Hi all,

I've had a few instances of people contacting me about the site of xwinman.org

When I mirrored it, I did say as just that -- a mirror of the information, which is found here:

xteddy.org/xwinman/

I've no intention of letting that go.

But, it seems there's a few people who are disputing the legality of these pages. and/or, wishing to clone the content for themselves and "modernise the CSS".

This seems odd to me. and should not happen.

To this end, I've added the mirrored files of xwinman.org here:

codeberg.org/thomasadam/xwinma

... and want anyone to know that these are the official files from the original mirror.

I've been fussing around with Labwc a bit. The out of the box Labwc config on Alpine is very minimal. Labwc uses Openbox themes, but before I go down that rabbit hole I want to explore CoW.

Following the build instructions "bouncing ball" on both the river and CoW Codeberg pages resulted in success with CoW selectable and launch-able in sddm with zero dramas.

Clicking on the empty desktop and getting the minimalist CoW (fvwm!) menu to appear for the first time was a bit of a comfy old shoe moment. Ha.

Thanks River and @thomasadam !

Now the fun, hard, and time consuming part: making CoW look the way I want it to look and selecting tools to flesh out the rest of the desktop.

I did go looking for some of my old fvwm configs in my code repo but I guess I never saved my desktop configs - just my carputer stuff. 2008 was a long time ago. Oh well.

Fun!

#CoW #CompositorOnWayland #RiverWM #River #Labwc #Linux #AlpineLinux #RunBSD #fvwm #sddm

If you are sad about having missed my tutorial introducing users to the compatible version control system at two weeks ago, you can download the full tutorial instructions and work through all the same steps as people did in the room with me:

gameoftrees.org/eurobsdcon2026

Bitrig

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitrig

Oh, -- I had high-hopes for such a fork. The logo was cool. Alas, it was a short-lived fork before bits of it were merged to OpenBSD.

I did use this work for a few months, so I can look at this with nostalgia, I suppose. :)

Whilst on holiday my brain just will not relax and keeps thinking about giving #NetBSD a shot again to see how far I get setting up #RiverWM with #CoW . i realise that I'll have to build certain things myself but that doesn't put me off. Not sure whether to use ffs or zfs either although probably ffs.
Also out of interest and I think that I already know the answer but does the ax200 WiFi work on NetBSD?
#RunBSD

CoW has removed and replaced it with

There is nothing wrong with scdoc -- quite the opposite -- it's great.

But wanted more from one single source -- beyond just manpages, we wanted HTML, etc. So this is also included in this conversion.

It also means packagers can include HTML-generated docs for free, if that's what's wanted.

It might be a remedial step but I disagree.

I cannot, for instance rule out this won't look odd:

lowdown -t term build/cow.1.md | less -R

Were this run from the root of a CoW clone. But the man page generation is sound.

Please do let all packagers know what they now must depend on 'lowdown'. It's widely packaged, any issues let me know.

Enjoy!

@thomasadam cool. I've played it a few times in the past and remember it to be fun. Not sure how the ruleset would hold up to extended scrutiny.

p7zip has been replaced with 7zip in ports, carrying forward the pledge(2) support I helped the maintainer Josh work out 10 years ago. :flan_hacker:

Features like benchmark, hashing/listing archives, extracting to stdout can't write to the filesystem, open a socket or execv.

github.com/openbsd/ports/commi

"7z" is interesting (read: scary), in that it attempts to support every conceivable archive format, many you wouldn't identify as archive.. like filesystems and even ELF binaries.

Another application I added to x11cp last night, mxcmap, which shows a colour cube:

x11cp.org/apps/mxcmap/

There are so many little utilities like these which people were building -- it's a fascinating piece of X11 history.

@thomasadam @techokami So nice to see a project that preserves x11 software from (mostly) before I was born! Kudos to both of you and everyone else who has found software!

I've updated x11cp.org with some other applications:

x11cp.org/apps/

Thanks to @techokami I've now included:

- mdgclock: x11cp.org/apps/mdgclock/

- mxascii: x11cp.org/apps/mxascii/

Enjoy!

As a reminder, this project exists to keep this older x11/motif stuff around, Any questions, please ask.

@thomasadam @d1 The great news with Tk is that with 9 it's now accessible to screen readers, lifting the one obstacle to it's being clearly the greatest widget set of all time

@thomasadam Yep… that's done the trick. I've put it in my `~/.profile` for now in lieu of a better place.

I could see instructions for compositors like `sway` but not `river`. Setting environment variables isn't too difficult.

I've been running CoW now for a few days, aside from an intermittent pregnant pause from time to time (notably when Thunderbird opens a new window), it's been pretty reliable.

Still need to fix up a launcher and fine-tune keybindings, but we're getting by.

@thomasadam The book is an artifact of history, which would be a treasure to the right computer historian, however Satan himself must have cast that CDROM into the fires of hell, out of compassion, owing to Motif being the worst widget set of all time.

Bought this book today. Despite the lack of CDROM I’m still disappointed.

I originally tried to buy this on Amazon. It was declined. I cannot but help think Daniel Flannagen has something to do with this.

I’ve been interested in this book for some time. The fact the CDROM is missing is frustrating.

If anyone can help locate it I’m grateful.

Some of you might recall I started the (poorly named) x11cp project some six years ago:

x11cp.org

Given the interest in this, and some other ideas around trying to centralise motif development, I've recently been spurred on to updated it.

So that's what I've just done.

I've not added any new projects, but the existing projects now compile without warnings, and for some of them have a few enhancements/bug-fixes.

Right now, the IRC channel on libera.chat is a hold-all for further discussions for motif development, etc. If that interests you, please join.

Thanks to @r1w1s1 and @techokami for nudging me on this.

(btw, thank you for maintaining this, i never thought anyone else would care about this silly little program that is so much easier to use than some complicated UNIX desktop environment file manager thing when it comes to simple file manipulation tasks)

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