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	Mike	‘’	19 years ago

Here there be geeks

	pshaw	‘’	19 years ago

So... I put Xlg on my OpenSuSE last night. Pretty sweet. I like it better than Vista.

	Mike	‘’	19 years ago

what's that, a window manager?

I'm so out of the loop on x11 stuff. I just tried Gnome for the first time two weeks ago :p

	Spektor	‘’	19 years ago

windows sux.
apple sux.

Is that all, can I go now?

	Pixelpaws	‘’	19 years ago

Wait, we have a forum now? o.o

	dg41	‘’	19 years ago

I'm considering buying a budget LCD HDTV ("budget" being a relative term). Any suggestions or warnings?

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

I went Windows free last night, did a complete format of my harddrive (was dual-booting XP and Ubuntu) and put Ubuntu alone on. Now I just need to get Xgl and Beryl working on it again.

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

dg41: I'm considering buying a budget LCD HDTV ("budget" being a relative term). Any suggestions or warnings?

Picture quality is more important than screen size. and the LCD's of some budget brands are actually made by the same company who makes them for one of the big brand names, so look into that for any of the budget brands you are considering buying. Their casing and such may end up looking cheaper than one of the more expensive models but there may be very little noticeable difference in image quality (unless you are a complete AV geek).

	MusicMakeMyHeadPound	‘’	19 years ago

Mike
what's that, a window manager?

Yeah. There's a family of them out now: XGL, AIGLX, Beryl, and Compiz. Basically they're the Linux implementation of Sun's Project Looking Glass (Vista features another take on this same project).

It's mostly eye candy, but a lot of the features are really cool. I can't browse YouTube at work, but if you're able to go there do a search on XGL, Beryl or Compiz.

I'm so out of the loop on x11 stuff.

Hehe. X11 is dead. This stuff is based on the new X.Org stuff.

/it's new to me too, it's been a lot fun watching this develop rapidly every week for the past year.

	pshaw	‘’	19 years ago

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: It's mostly eye candy,

It's all eye candy. But I do like the effect of going to cube mode to change my workspace, and the dynamic zoom mode (cause my vision is going bad).

There's also application tiling in Xlg which is identical to the application tiling found in Max OSX. That's pretty cool.

Other little effects like window transparency and window "wobble" are just waste of processor time. (But they do look cool.)

	Mike	‘’	19 years ago

X11 is the protocol. x.org's just one implementation of it. Did you mean XFree86 was dead?

	CheeseEatingBulldog	‘’	19 years ago

2007-02-06 05:47:10 PM MusicMakeMyHeadPound

I must say I love my Edgy-XGL-Beryl setup, and it runs lovely on my 1300 mhz, 64 mb geforceII machine... amazing Linux these days.

	ZAZ	‘’	19 years ago

New X stuff? I'm still using the same X stuff I had in the late 1980s.

/remembers X10

	CheeseEatingBulldog	‘’	19 years ago

Oh and btw, I have posted this beforew but this is a nice little link to 3 movies, Linux/xgl/compiz, Apple Aqua & Vista. Link is a little old but does show off XGL/Compiz (same as Beryl).

Enjoy the show

	Haggis	‘’	19 years ago

Can I run Vista on my Tandy 1000?

	akula	‘’	19 years ago

dg41: I'm considering buying a budget LCD HDTV ("budget" being a relative term). Any suggestions or warnings?

What size?

On the low end, Wal-Mart has some decent Sanyos for acceptable prices. Getting towards the $1500 mark, I'd just try to make sure I had a surfeit of input options- the Viewsonic panels are hard to locate, but are good for that. Although the screen itself might be identical between a Vizio and a Sony (just tossing out examples, not sure if they really are), the electronics won't be identical. The quality of a scaler will make the difference between standard def content looking great and looking awful.

	Mr. Fuzzypaws	‘’	19 years ago

I have a copy of Windows 1 on 5.25 inch floppies. How can I install it on my Xbox?

	MusicMakeMyHeadPound	‘’	19 years ago

pshaw
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: It's mostly eye candy,

It's all eye candy.

I guess it's an eye of the beholder or what-dictionary-are-you-using kind of thing.

The window transparency feature has come in handy for when I can't copy-paste (.pdf page to OOWord document, for example) and I also love the application tiling/Expose thing. I don't consider those eye candy since they're functional to me.

I'm splitting hairs, probably.

Mike
X11 is the protocol. x.org's just one implementation of it. Did you mean XFree86 was dead?

I'm far too lazy to dig up the article, but I thought I read that X11 is no longer being developed and that X.Org will be its successor.

I could be wrong too. :/

	Mr. Fuzzypaws	‘’	19 years ago

dg41: I'm considering buying a budget LCD HDTV ("budget" being a relative term). Any suggestions or warnings?

I got a 32" ViewSonic from Newegg for $700, works great. Just make sure you read and understand that when you sign for it it's yours, any problems have to be dealt with by the manufacturer.

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

As a clarification XGL and AIGLX are not windows managers, Compiz and Beryl are.

XGL and AIGLX are X-server architectures.

	CheeseEatingBulldog	‘’	19 years ago

2007-02-06 06:26:40 PM entropic_existence [TotalFark]

Strange thing is that I have gotten XGL to work, and not AIGLX..don't know if it would make any difference...as is the same with the choice of compiz/beryl, I never got compiz working.

	MusicMakeMyHeadPound	‘’	19 years ago

entropic_existence
As a clarification XGL and AIGLX are not windows managers, Compiz and Beryl are.

XGL and AIGLX are X-server architectures.

Oh.

Cool, thanks.

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

Ooo... cool. I used to pay 5$/month for this.. :)

/geek
//broke

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

oh... I got a question.. I have php4 installed on suse 9.3. Is there a way to get that upgraded to php5 through YaST?

Because it isn't listed when I search... :\

I have the packman and guru listed (as well as my 9.3 cds) as install sources.

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

Seth_J: oh... I got a question.. I have php4 installed on suse 9.3. Is there a way to get that upgraded to php5 through YaST?

Because it isn't listed when I search... :\

I have the packman and guru listed (as well as my 9.3 cds) as install sources

Personally I would just get an RPM of PHP5 and install it as an update, or completely uninstall PHP4 using YaST and do an install of PHP5 either from a package or from source.

	Nerv2021	‘’	19 years ago

Back on to TVs, DLP or LCoS?

	CaptainJuan	‘’	19 years ago

Oh thank god. I need help, and I have no TF.

Does anyone know how to get rid of the isamini.exe trojan/spyware/adware "suite"?

	DeltaPunch	‘’	19 years ago

CaptainJuan: oes anyone know how to get rid of the isamini.exe trojan/spyware/adware "suite"?

Not sure. Did you try deleting 'C:\Program Files\IntCodec\isamini.exe'? It may not delete if it's running....

	DeltaPunch	‘’	19 years ago

CaptainJuan:

Oh, the others are

isaddon.dll
isamini.exe
isamonitor.exe
isauninst.exe

	CaptainJuan	‘’	19 years ago

DeltaPunch

Yeah, I've tried deleting all the associated files, but they were in use. AVG and Norton both fail miserably at doing anything of use.

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

Nerv2021: Back on to TVs, DLP or LCoS?

The higher end Mitsu DLPs that I've been selling lately have a great picture right out of the box. Crystal clear with dark, dark blacks. Great TV for the money - of course I buy at cost... :) You could probably find something online very close to cost.

I haven't seen an LCoS TV yet.. or if I have I didn't know. Most of my clients end up with plasmas anyway. But the ones with projection run TVs usually end up with DLPs...

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

entropic_existence: Personally I would just get an RPM of PHP5 and install it as an update, or completely uninstall PHP4 using YaST and do an install of PHP5 either from a package or from source.

Where can I get the PHP5 RPMs for Suse 9.3?

	DeltaPunch	‘’	19 years ago

CaptainJuan:

You feel like tinkering with your registry? Here are the entries, from what i can gather:

-----

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\clsid\{4734044c-7427-43d8-adbe-df942e52bef2}

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\clsid\{4734044c-7427-43d8-adbe-df942e52bef2}\inprocserver32

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\clsid\{4734044c-7427-43d8-adbe-df942e52bef2}\inprocserver32 threadingmodel

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\explorer\browser helper objects\{4734044c-7427-43d8-adbe-df942e52bef2}

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\policies\explorer \run isamonitor.exe

	DeltaPunch	‘’	19 years ago

CaptainJuan:

And if that doesn't work, you could download Pest Patrol, which I believe is known to be able to track that sucker down.

	CaptainJuan	‘’	19 years ago

DeltaPunch

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I don't know anywhere near enough about comp's to do that.

	CaptainJuan	‘’	19 years ago

DeltaPunch

I'll give that a shot, thanks.

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

Arrrg... I found this:

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/9.3/rpm/i586

But I'm unable to get YaST to add it as a source...

	Man On Fire	‘’	19 years ago

I found out the hard way that YaST is really annoying. (understatement)

and holy cow. did we get a built-in spell checker?

	DeltaPunch	‘’	19 years ago

Cap'n, just try installing and running that software.

Hope it works!

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

Man On Fire: I found out the hard way that YaST is really annoying. (understatement)

Yah... Found the sources on the Suse Wiki to upgrade... sweet.

and holy cow. did we get a built-in spell checker?

I noticed Firefox has one built in now.. so does IE6 i think... bout damn time.

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

Seth_J: Where can I get the PHP5 RPMs for Suse 9.3?

Here These are just generic i386 rpm's for PHP5.

Arrrg... I found this:

ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/update/9.3/rpm/i586

But I'm unable to get YaST to add it as a source...

Why are you using YaST? Just download the rpm and install it off of the ommandline. As root just do something like:

rpm -Uvh blah.rpm

	Mike	‘’	19 years ago

and holy cow. did we get a built-in spell checker?

Fark didn't.
Firefox did.

	CaptainJuan	‘’	19 years ago

DeltaPunch

No dice. It deleted and fixed a few of the problems, but the "System alert" bubble in the bottom right corner keeps coming up.

Any more suggestions, techies?

	Mr. Fuzzypaws	‘’	19 years ago

CaptainJuan: Any more suggestions, techies?

Do everything in safe mode in an ADMINISTRATOR account that was created BEFORE you farked it up.

TIP: When installing Windows let it make the first default account and CHANGE THE PASSWORD. Then make a new one for yourself.

	occasionalcontributer	‘’	19 years ago

CaptainJuan, go here and follow the instructions. I can about 99% guarantee you your problem will be solved within a day or two.

	Seth_J	‘’	19 years ago

entropic_existence: Why are you using YaST? Just download the rpm and install it off of the ommandline. As root just do something like:

rpm -Uvh blah.rpm

Dunno... YaST seems easier since I dont know the command line stuff...

I should learn that...

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

Seth_J: Dunno... YaST seems easier since I dont know the command line stuff...

I should learn that...

If you are going to use Linux you really should learn to utilize the power of the command line, it is the best thing about linux frankly. Lots of good resources online and picking up a decent book is always a good idea as well.

I would also recommend updating to a newer release. If you want to stick with Suse there is OpenSuse 10.2 I think is their newest stable release. I started linux on Mandrake/Mandriva and then SuSe, much prefer Ubuntu now though.

	entropic_existence	‘’	19 years ago

Oh yea, as well I should mention that package management systems like YaST, Adept, Apt, Synaptic, etc typically don't have the newest versions of all software (except for distribution specific stuff and of course some of the big applications like Firefox, OpenOffice, etc) available in their sources/repositories.

There are often graphical front ends available to install packages (like .rpm's and .debs, etc) if you aren't comfortable with the command line. Repositories and sources and such are great (I install a lot of things that way on Ubuntu) but it will never have everything available.

	occasionalcontributer	‘’	19 years ago

entropic_existence
If you are going to use Linux you really should learn to utilize the power of the command line, it is the best thing about linux frankly.

And there we have the problem with Linux in a nutshell (shell, hah! sorry...). I realize I'm opening myself up to flame here (which I never really understood: why do people feel such intense loyalty to a piece of software?), but I say this totally with the best interests of the Linux community in mind: if you want Linux to take off with ordinary users, you're going to have to change things so that they have absolutely no need to learn anything technical. "But they had to learn technical stuff when they learned how to use Windows/OSX!" Yeah, they did. Is that fair? No. But the fact is they're now secure in their proprietary systems, and you need to not only give them a compelling reason to move (and I admit the prospect of *not* paying several hundred dollars every few years is compelling) but also ease the transition as much as is humanly possible. Which means, as much as you hate it, that you'll have to give up, at first, some of the stuff that ties Linux to the OSS community, stuff like the command line and making recompiling an integral part of installation and yes, I realize those are outdated generalizations. They still apply in principle. I can't count how many things I've seen in Linux that are different just for the sake of being different. That's not gonna fly. Swallow your pride, take a good look at what the big two are doing right, and put it back into your system. Don't like it? That's why there are different flavors of Linux in the first place. I really, really, hope you do that, because as soon as I can find a flavor that I can recommend to my clueless family without having to worry about them coming to me to explain how it works in Linux every two seconds, I will be all over that like Crack Spider on a pimpin' rod.

/rant

	Mike	‘’	19 years ago

"Linux: Most people don't like to build their cars from scratch either"

Good example of different for the sake of being different: having 'ps' complain about a leading hyphen on its options. W.T.F.? Was there something wrong with getopt() on just that one command on just that one OS? :)

FreeBSD's still command line heavy and still has the same gazillion X11 environments to choose from that Linux does. But at least there's just one distribution and one package management system, and it's one that realized that .tar.gz was still just a dandy archiving format. It still feels like the old Unixes I learned on before Linux even existed, which probably only matters to us assclowns who were wearing diapers during the Ford presidency :)

But hey, personal preference and all that.

Meanwhile, if you want the "easy Unix for the family members", get a refurb Intel Mac Mini for cheap and they run Windows and Linux just fine if ya gotta.

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